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RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[hermann g. <hgr...@gm...>]

hi ;-)

i had the same problems like you, the filters can't be named,=20
changing is possible by defining just a new filter - eventually with=20
a non-search ;-), for deleting it.

as far as i can see now the filters are stored within a database, not=20
the whole program

the "all fields" setting is a new, not editable setting, probably=20
there are problems with the db-tools which will add a new "all=20
fields" view, or there are problems during conversion from the old=20
databases

all in all there are some improvements possible, but nevertheless its=20
a great program - go on tom dyas and marc chalain

so long, ciao hermann

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jesper J=F8rgensen [SMTP:j.j...@ge...]
Sent:	Monday, November 26, 2001 8:48 PM
To:	pil...@li...
Subject:	[pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

Thanks for a great palm-program. I just upgraded to the new 0.3.3=20
version and see
that filters are now available. That is a very good idea. However, I=20
have 3 problems
with them (and don't find any information on them in the manual):

1. How do I name a filter such that I can remember what they do (mine=20
stay named
   "filter 1", "filter 2" ...?

2. How do I change a filter, e.g. if I mistyped the searcg string?

3. How do I delete a filter that I don't need anymore?

B.T.W. are filters by-database or global over all databases?

Another question: After upgrading all my databases suddenly have two=20
list views
called "All Fields", but only one appears in the "edit list views"=20
dialog. Is that because
I have changed column widths prior to the upgrade? How do I get rid=20
of the unwanted
view?

 << File: ATT00000.html >> 

RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[Carson W. <car...@fi...>]

I've had the same problem, I have a feature request in that I think covers these issues. If you go to sf you can review it to see if you'd like to add anything.

Carson

--- hermann griebel <hgr...@gm...> wrote:
>hi ;-)
>
>i had the same problems like you, the filters can't be named,=20
>changing is possible by defining just a new filter - eventually with=20
>a non-search ;-), for deleting it.
>
>as far as i can see now the filters are stored within a database, not=20
>the whole program
>
>the "all fields" setting is a new, not editable setting, probably=20
>there are problems with the db-tools which will add a new "all=20
>fields" view, or there are problems during conversion from the old=20
>databases
>
>all in all there are some improvements possible, but nevertheless its=20
>a great program - go on tom dyas and marc chalain
>
>so long, ciao hermann
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Jesper J=F8rgensen [SMTP:j.j...@ge...]
>Sent:	Monday, November 26, 2001 8:48 PM
>To:	pil...@li...
>Subject:	[pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters
>
>Thanks for a great palm-program. I just upgraded to the new 0.3.3=20
>version and see
>that filters are now available. That is a very good idea. However, I=20
>have 3 problems
>with them (and don't find any information on them in the manual):
>
>1. How do I name a filter such that I can remember what they do (mine=20
>stay named
>   "filter 1", "filter 2" ...?
>
>2. How do I change a filter, e.g. if I mistyped the searcg string?
>
>3. How do I delete a filter that I don't need anymore?
>
>B.T.W. are filters by-database or global over all databases?
>
>Another question: After upgrading all my databases suddenly have two=20
>list views
>called "All Fields", but only one appears in the "edit list views"=20
>dialog. Is that because
>I have changed column widths prior to the upgrade? How do I get rid=20
>of the unwanted
>view?
>
> << File: ATT00000.html >>
>
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RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

You told about a feature request not a problem. I'm sorry but i must choose what i will implement. I cannot implement everything. For the 0.3.3 i didn't complete the filter implementation, and when you think something is easy to do, it's not always true. Named a filter wonder a lot of modifications in the main code and in the database structure, and a lot of modifications it's a lot of houres of work.
For the palm-db-tools which add automaticly the "all fileds" view, i'm sorry but i don't support palm-db-tools, it's always Tom but he do that only for you because he doesn't use PalmOS device now. You should wait that some body write a PC application for Pilot-DB.

Salut,
Marc.



> I've had the same problem, I have a feature request in that I think covers these issues. If you go to sf you can review it to see if you'd like to add anything.
> 
> Carson
> 
> --- hermann griebel <hgr...@gm...> wrote:
> >hi ;-)
> >
> >i had the same problems like you, the filters can't be named,=3D20
> >changing is possible by defining just a new filter - eventually with=3D20
> >a non-search ;-), for deleting it.
> >
> >as far as i can see now the filters are stored within a database, not=3D20
> >the whole program
> >
> >the "all fields" setting is a new, not editable setting, probably=3D20
> >there are problems with the db-tools which will add a new "all=3D20
> >fields" view, or there are problems during conversion from the old=3D20
> >databases
> >
> >all in all there are some improvements possible, but nevertheless its=3D20
> >a great program - go on tom dyas and marc chalain
> >
> >so long, ciao hermann
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:	Jesper J=3DF8rgensen [SMTP:j.j...@ge...]
> >Sent:	Monday, November 26, 2001 8:48 PM
> >To:	pil...@li...
> >Subject:	[pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters
> >
> >Thanks for a great palm-program. I just upgraded to the new 0.3.3=3D20
> >version and see
> >that filters are now available. That is a very good idea. However, I=3D20
> >have 3 problems
> >with them (and don't find any information on them in the manual):
> >
> >1. How do I name a filter such that I can remember what they do (mine=3D20
> >stay named
> >   "filter 1", "filter 2" ...?
> >
> >2. How do I change a filter, e.g. if I mistyped the searcg string?
> >
> >3. How do I delete a filter that I don't need anymore?
> >
> >B.T.W. are filters by-database or global over all databases?
> >
> >Another question: After upgrading all my databases suddenly have two=3D20
> >list views
> >called "All Fields", but only one appears in the "edit list views"=3D20
> >dialog. Is that because
> >I have changed column widths prior to the upgrade? How do I get rid=3D20
> >of the unwanted
> >view?
> >
> > << File: ATT00000.html >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Pilot-db-list mailing list
> >Pil...@li...
> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pilot-db-list
> 
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Sv: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[<j.j...@ge...>]

First of all: I agree that this is a great program. My preferred =
database program for the Palm
and it does not matter whether the filters work or not. Being a software =
programmer myself, I
also understand that some seemingly "easy" change might actually be very =
hard and time
consuming to implement.

One of you said that "all-fields" should have something to do with =
db-tools. I don't think so: I
haven't used these tools. I simply upgraded the Palm device with DB =
0.3.3 and all the databases
I had on it at the time of upgrading now got the extra "all fields" =
view.

Re filters: I have also tried to "redefine" a filter to search for the =
null string (by leaving the search field blank),
but it doesn't work: the filter still works as I made it the first time. =
It seems to me that a filter can only
be changed to search for something else being a non-null string. I don't =
know how much my opinion
can count here, but I would propose to make it possible to delete and =
edit a filter as the first thing
and then perhaps wait enabling filter naming (given that it takes a long =
time to implement). Deleting
and editing a filter is hard to miss if you want to use filters at all, =
while filter renaming is not as
important (in my humble opinion, of course).

Thanks for a great program! and thanks for doing all the hard work under =
GPL!  ;-)

/Jesper

----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----=20
Fra: "Chalain Marc" <mar...@vo...>
Til: <car...@fi...>
Cc: <Pil...@li...>
Sendt: 27. november 2001 09:57
Emne: RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters


You told about a feature request not a problem. I'm sorry but i must =
choose what i will implement. I cannot implement everything. For the =
0.3.3 i didn't complete the filter implementation, and when you think =
something is easy to do, it's not always true. Named a filter wonder a =
lot of modifications in the main code and in the database structure, and =
a lot of modifications it's a lot of houres of work.
For the palm-db-tools which add automaticly the "all fileds" view, i'm =
sorry but i don't support palm-db-tools, it's always Tom but he do that =
only for you because he doesn't use PalmOS device now. You should wait =
that some body write a PC application for Pilot-DB.

Salut,
Marc.



> I've had the same problem, I have a feature request in that I think =
covers these issues. If you go to sf you can review it to see if you'd =
like to add anything.
>=20
> Carson
>=20
> --- hermann griebel <hgr...@gm...> wrote:
> >hi ;-)
> >
> >i had the same problems like you, the filters can't be named,=3D20
> >changing is possible by defining just a new filter - eventually =
with=3D20
> >a non-search ;-), for deleting it.
> >
> >as far as i can see now the filters are stored within a database, =
not=3D20
> >the whole program
> >
> >the "all fields" setting is a new, not editable setting, =
probably=3D20
> >there are problems with the db-tools which will add a new "all=3D20
> >fields" view, or there are problems during conversion from the =
old=3D20
> >databases
> >
> >all in all there are some improvements possible, but nevertheless =
its=3D20
> >a great program - go on tom dyas and marc chalain
> >
> >so long, ciao hermann
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jesper J=3DF8rgensen [SMTP:j.j...@ge...]
> >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:48 PM
> >To: pil...@li...
> >Subject: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters
> >
> >Thanks for a great palm-program. I just upgraded to the new =
0.3.3=3D20
> >version and see
> >that filters are now available. That is a very good idea. However, =
I=3D20
> >have 3 problems
> >with them (and don't find any information on them in the manual):
> >
> >1. How do I name a filter such that I can remember what they do =
(mine=3D20
> >stay named
> >   "filter 1", "filter 2" ...?
> >
> >2. How do I change a filter, e.g. if I mistyped the searcg string?
> >
> >3. How do I delete a filter that I don't need anymore?
> >
> >B.T.W. are filters by-database or global over all databases?
> >
> >Another question: After upgrading all my databases suddenly have =
two=3D20
> >list views
> >called "All Fields", but only one appears in the "edit list =
views"=3D20
> >dialog. Is that because
> >I have changed column widths prior to the upgrade? How do I get =
rid=3D20
> >of the unwanted
> >view?
> >
> > << File: ATT00000.html >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Pilot-db-list mailing list
> >Pil...@li...
> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pilot-db-list
>=20
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>=20
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RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[Carson W. <car...@fi...>]

I do understand the time contraints. I also understand that this is a feature request. The problem is that unless the filters can be named, at least at some point in the future, having multiple filters is almost meaningless.

Carson

Carson R. Wilcox
Senior Consultant
DMR Consulting
Tampa, FL USA


--- "Chalain Marc" <mar...@vo...> wrote:
>You told about a feature request not a problem. I'm sorry but i must choose=
> what i will implement. I cannot implement everything. For the 0.3.3 i didn=
>'t complete the filter implementation, and when you think something is easy=
> to do, it's not always true. Named a filter wonder a lot of modifications =
>in the main code and in the database structure, and a lot of modifications =
>it's a lot of houres of work.
>For the palm-db-tools which add automaticly the "all fileds" view, i'm sorr=
>y but i don't support palm-db-tools, it's always Tom but he do that only fo=
>r you because he doesn't use PalmOS device now. You should wait that some b=
>ody write a PC application for Pilot-DB.
>
>Salut,
>Marc.
>
>
>
>> I've had the same problem, I have a feature request in that I think cover=
>s these issues. If you go to sf you can review it to see if you'd like to a=
>dd anything.
>>
>> Carson
>>
>> --- hermann griebel <hgr...@gm...> wrote:
>> >hi ;-)
>> >
>> >i had the same problems like you, the filters can't be named,=3D20
>> >changing is possible by defining just a new filter - eventually with=3D20
>> >a non-search ;-), for deleting it.
>> >
>> >as far as i can see now the filters are stored within a database, not=3D=
>20
>> >the whole program
>> >
>> >the "all fields" setting is a new, not editable setting, probably=3D20
>> >there are problems with the db-tools which will add a new "all=3D20
>> >fields" view, or there are problems during conversion from the old=3D20
>> >databases
>> >
>> >all in all there are some improvements possible, but nevertheless its=3D=
>20
>> >a great program - go on tom dyas and marc chalain
>> >
>> >so long, ciao hermann
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From:	Jesper J=3DF8rgensen [SMTP:j.j...@ge...]
>> >Sent:	Monday, November 26, 2001 8:48 PM
>> >To:	pil...@li...
>> >Subject:	[pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters
>> >
>> >Thanks for a great palm-program. I just upgraded to the new 0.3.3=3D20
>> >version and see
>> >that filters are now available. That is a very good idea. However, I=3D20
>> >have 3 problems
>> >with them (and don't find any information on them in the manual):
>> >
>> >1. How do I name a filter such that I can remember what they do (mine=3D=
>20
>> >stay named
>> >   "filter 1", "filter 2" ...?
>> >
>> >2. How do I change a filter, e.g. if I mistyped the searcg string?
>> >
>> >3. How do I delete a filter that I don't need anymore?
>> >
>> >B.T.W. are filters by-database or global over all databases?
>> >
>> >Another question: After upgrading all my databases suddenly have two=3D20
>> >list views
>> >called "All Fields", but only one appears in the "edit list views"=3D20
>> >dialog. Is that because
>> >I have changed column widths prior to the upgrade? How do I get rid=3D20
>> >of the unwanted
>> >view?
>> >
>> > << File: ATT00000.html >>
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Pilot-db-list mailing list
>> >Pil...@li...
>> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pilot-db-list
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>
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RE: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[hermann g. <hgr...@gm...>]

hi 2 all ;-)

my filters proposal lead to a lot of answers and reactions, i know 
that sometimes an seemingly easy to implent feature is sometimes hard 
to realize, my proposals are only _proposals_ ,for the wish list and 
not a bug report or anything like else !!

Jesper is right, you can't overwrite a filter with a blank searching 
filter, the old one still exist, but it doesn't matter as long as 
they can simply been overwritten - it's nearly the same as deleting 
it

marc and tom are doing a great job with DB, i agree whith Jesper : 
Thanks for a great program! and thanks for doing all the hard work 
under GPL!  ;-)

i don't critizise the program or the work they've done !!! i tell 
only the impressions i have and the things i'm missing most when i 
work with DB. the aim is to make a big program bigger !!! ;-)

so long, a happy DB user ...

ciao hermann

Re: [pilot-db-list] DB 0.3.3 filters

[Tom D. <td...@be...>]

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 04:14 pm, you wrote:

> marc and tom are doing a great job with DB, i agree whith Jesper :
> Thanks for a great program! and thanks for doing all the hard work
> under GPL!  ;-)

Marc should get all the thanks. He and others mentioned by him have done all 
the great work for this release. I tried out the new version on the emulator 
and it looks good. That is as far as my involvement ever got with this 
version.