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Re: [pilot-db-list] more choices

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

Hmmm

DYAS - Do You Always Search
		for your data...

	Data You Always Save ....

Tinker - for people who want to tinker around with data storage.


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[pilot-db-list] more choices

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

How about InfiniBase or InfiniFile?

Or to have a recursive acronym like GNU (GNU is Not Unix), the name could
be:

DIOS == DIOS Is Open Source

Please it even sounds like my last name in a strange way.

Tom

[pilot-db-list] new name for db

[Ira <ir...@he...>]

How about "freebase"?  I think it would be a good name, but I went looking
on Altavista to see if there already was one, and I found
this--http://www.clark.net/pub/teal/scott/humor/ads/frbs-fml.htm
-Ira

[pilot-db-list] Re: need better name

[Marlyse C. <m....@ma...>]

> Atad (Data backwards. Now it would be cooler if I could do such 
> thing with a non-English version of the word.)

heh....:

Netad
= Daten

which again means 'data' (though 'daten' could refer also to dates of the
calendar, but as this is the same in english, that could work).

TBase is still my favorite though.

---marlyse

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Re: [pilot-db-list] Re: need better name

[Jay S. <js...@aq...>]

Robert Alatalo <ral...@zi...> suggested:

> 	You could also do something where the phonics remain very close to
> DeeBee, or Database, and only the spelling changes.
> 
> Maybe like:
> 	DBee
> 	DataAce
> 	DatAce
> 	DeeBe

Or Deeby or Deebie.  -j.

PS - Or R2-DB, but George Lucas might complain. :-)

Re: [pilot-db-list] Re: need better name

[Robert A. <ral...@zi...>]

Hello,

	You could also do something where the phonics remain very close to
DeeBee, or Database, and only the spelling changes.

Maybe like:
	DBee
	DataAce
	DatAce
	DeeBe

-RPbert


On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Tom Dyas wrote:

> thinking about it and they are right. The name is everything in terms of
> making people notice the project. 

Re: [pilot-db-list] Re: need better name

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Marlyse Comte wrote:

> I never minded the DB - dataBase... pretty direct.

I was looking on memoware.com in their file formats section and they
mention DB along with the quote "although poorly named". Then I got to
thinking about it and they are right. The name is everything in terms of
making people notice the project. 

> >InfoGlove - 'cause it stores info and it fits in your hand like a glove
> >does. (this one may work actually, thoughts?)
> 
> Less communicative, IMHO.

Yeah, plus it sounds a little lame.

I thought of another one:

Atad (Data backwards. Now it would be cooler if I could do such thing with
a non-English version of the word.)

[pilot-db-list] Re: need better name

[Marlyse C. <m....@ma...>]

I never minded the DB - dataBase... pretty direct.

>TBase or TFile (or TeeBase)- if I were vain or egotistical, then I could
>use my initials in the name :)

This one I like - TBase even more than TFile, as usually (?) one database
is conceived as one file, thus there would be more than one file.
>
>InfoGlove - 'cause it stores info and it fits in your hand like a glove
>does. (this one may work actually, thoughts?)

Less communicative, IMHO.


---marlyse


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Re: [pilot-db-list] need better name (fwd)

[Matthias H. <Mat...@in...>]

Sorry, pressed the wrong reply key :-(

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> > Re: too generic
> > 
> > I know what you mean.  I've tried my best to get DB listed on PilotGear
> > as a pre-req, but they couldn't figure out what I meant <smile>...
> 
> I'm not very good with names and I took the path of least resistance in
> regards to the name. If I did a spreadsheet, it would probably be called
> "Spread" or "SpreadSheet".

I still like the name 'DB' best... I don't like names that do not
immedeately show up, what the proggy is all about.

And I love short names :)

Frankly said, I think DB is one of the best programm names I have
found so far at all. Though this is personal preferrence, of course.

Another two cents bite the dust...

Matthias

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Re: [pilot-db-list] need better name

[Jay S. <js...@aq...>]

> TBase or TFile (or TeeBase)- if I were vain or egotistical, then I could
> use my initials in the name :)

My suggestion was going to be TDB or tdb, but I think I like TBase better.
Actually, I think I like TeeBase best of all - less of an acronymy look.

You might want to do a web search or a trademark search on whatever name
you come up with, to make sure nobody else is using it.  (Hmmm...  Come
to think of it, I suggest you call it "Office 2000". :-)

-j.

Re: [pilot-db-list] need better name

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> Re: too generic
> 
> I know what you mean.  I've tried my best to get DB listed on PilotGear
> as a pre-req, but they couldn't figure out what I meant <smile>...

I'm not very good with names and I took the path of least resistance in
regards to the name. If I did a spreadsheet, it would probably be called
"Spread" or "SpreadSheet".

The name can't have Palm in it though since Palm Computing doesn't like
that for some reason.

My own suggestions:

HandFile - too close to HandDBase probably

TBase or TFile (or TeeBase)- if I were vain or egotistical, then I could
use my initials in the name :)

InfoGlove - 'cause it stores info and it fits in your hand like a glove
does. (this one may work actually, thoughts?)

SuperDB - since I am so super :) (probably in the same vain as TBase) (pun
intended)

Re: [pilot-db-list] need better name

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

Re: too generic

I know what you mean.  I've tried my best to get DB listed on PilotGear
as a pre-req, but they couldn't figure out what I meant <smile>...
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[pilot-db-list] need better name

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

DB needs a better name since its name is too generic. Any suggestions?

Re: [pilot-db-list] another test release

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Tom Dyas wrote:

> Right now, this version has only been running in the emulator on my
> laptop. I've gotten to the point where I'd trust it on my real device. 

Oops. Insert NOT between "I've" and "gotten".

Re: [pilot-db-list] another test release

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> Tom, would you say this test release was more stable?  I'm not set up right
> now to do desktop testing on a Pilot emulator, and have been holding back
> testing the new version until it stabized a bit...

I'd say to wait another week or so. The read-only support can still crash
if you try to tap a checkbox on the list view and I saw a "Chunk
Overlocked" message which means I need to track down a missing unlock
somewhere.

Right now, this version has only been running in the emulator on my
laptop. I've gotten to the point where I'd trust it on my real device. 

Tom

Re: [pilot-db-list] another test release

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

Tom, would you say this test release was more stable?  I'm not set up right
now to do desktop testing on a Pilot emulator, and have been holding back
testing the new version until it stabized a bit...

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[pilot-db-list] another test release

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

ftp://pilot-db.sourceforge.net/pub/pilot-db/dbtest.prc

* beaming restored

* removed action buttons at bottom of main screen. tap the ugly triangle
next to a database to get a popup list with a list of actions. ugly
triangle will go away when I have time to code icon support.

* read-only mode. popup action list and choose "Open Read-Only". there are
still some kinks since to work out ... do not tap checkboxes on the list
view, for example ...

0.3.0 is getting closer, just need to clean up the existing cdoe some more
to get everything working that isn't

Re: [pilot-db-list] Re: UI changes

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> Can you describe the database drivers layer a bit?

PalmOS has a set of interfaces called the Data Manager which allows a
program in access and manipulate databases on the device. Every program on
a Palm uses this interface. In DB 0.2.x, calls to this interface are
littered throughout the program. In DB 0.3.x, I've rewritten the code (at
the expense of more code) so that calls to the PalmOS Data Manager are
isolated in the io.c file.

The remainder of the DB source code now has no idea how a database is
being stored nor does it care. This allows me to support the legacy format
without changing any other code other than io.c. After 0.3.0 is out, it
will allow me to write a MobileDB driver so that DB can be used as a
frontend to MobileDB databases with no need to convert to DB's native
format.

One can envision a JFile Pro driver or a ThinkDB driver in the future if I
can figure out the file formats ... 

> Seems like maybe what is needed here is another button on the front page
> for rename, just like we currently have open/del/info/beam ...

Probably better to put it on the front screen.

> I'm still uncertain what the drivers conversion means...

Basically take a database that is in one file format and use another
"driver" to produce a copy in another file format. So you could convert
MobileDB -> DB native for example (if there were a MobileDB driver). More
applicable would be DB 0.2.x -> DB or DB -> DB 0.2.x formats (allowing me
to make changes to the 0.3.x format during its development without
breaking anyone's databases).

> > Also, new options on the chooser screen won't fit. Will it be a problem if
> > I replace the "Open", "Del", "Info", and "Beam" buttons at the bottom of
> > the screen with a popup list which you select an action from and then tap
> > the database title?
> 
> Why not menu bar options?  You could add rename and duplicate here as well.

The problem is that the UI needs some notion of an "active" action that
gets applied when you tap the database. The menu bar doesn't convey that
notion. And tapping the database first will cause it to open before you
get a chance to open the menu. 

Tom

[pilot-db-list] Re: UI changes

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

From: Tom Dyas <td...@vg...>

> I need to make some changes to the UI in order to support the new database
> drivers layer. Basically, when you click "New" from the main screen, I

Can you describe the database drivers layer a bit?

> to use to create the database. Then when you click OK, you are taken to
> the current design screen minus the Name prompt at the top.

I think this change to New would be fine with me - I seldom use New myself -
I tend to build my databases initially on the desktop and populate them down.

> Renaming the database would move to the database preferences dialog.

Seems like maybe what is needed here is another button on the front page
for rename, just like we currently have open/del/info/beam ...

> I also need some suggestions on how to support converting between
> different drivers and also creating a data source using the schema of
> a sanother database.

I'm still uncertain what the drivers conversion means...

> I'm thinking of a "Duplicate" option on the main screen which will pop up
> a dialog asking for the new name, driver, and how much to copy ("Schema &
> Data", "Schema"). Can I do better?

This sounds fine with me.  See below

> Also, new options on the chooser screen won't fit. Will it be a problem if
> I replace the "Open", "Del", "Info", and "Beam" buttons at the bottom of
> the screen with a popup list which you select an action from and then tap
> the database title?

Why not menu bar options?  You could add rename and duplicate here as well.

> Icons may also be better but I cannot draw for the life of me. 
Nah - you're heading the right way.  If you want to support icons, allow
the user to specify an icon with the name of the database to represent
the database!

> Or an icon next to the database title that you could tap to get list of
> database specific options?

I suppose - but perhaps just a menubar option to act upon the selected
database (ala cut/copy, etc.) would be fine with me.
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RE: [pilot-db-list] Will there ever be a sourceforge web page?

[Jon H. <jo...@ci...>]

Sorry, I thought this mail didn't make it to the outside world...

I deleted the application, re loaded it and now it works - it was v 2.5.


-----Original Message-----
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To: Larry W. Virden
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Subject: Re: [pilot-db-list] Will there ever be a sourceforge web page?


On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> What needs to be done?  I might be able to at least spend enough time to
> get the front page up and going.  It would be _better_ if some of the
> other DB users stepped up to the plate to _head_ the work and I would
> be happy to help behind the scenes though.

Anyone who wants to help just needs to go to http://sourceforge.net/ and
make an account. Then they need to tell me what the username of that
account is so I can add permissions to edit the Web page.

Then to edit the Web pages, you just use ssh (Secure SHell - encrypted
telnet basically plus some other stuff) to access pilot-db.sourceforge.net
and go into the /home/groups/pilot-db directory where the pages sit. 

SourceForge is very good hosting site and makes stuff like this pretty
simple to setup and use. You do need ssh though. Getting it for UNIX is
easy. There are Windows versions hanging around the Net somewhere. 

Tom



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[pilot-db-list] test release

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

ftp://pilot-db.sourceforge.net/pub/pilot-db/dbtest.prc

The only change from the last test release is that global find now works
again under the new system.

Tom

[pilot-db-list] UI changes

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

I need to make some changes to the UI in order to support the new database
drivers layer. Basically, when you click "New" from the main screen, I
want a dialog to pop up and prompt you for a database name and the driver
to use to create the database. Then when you click OK, you are taken to
the current design screen minus the Name prompt at the top.

Renaming the database would move to the database preferences dialog.

I also need some suggestions on how to support converting between
different drivers and also creating a data source using the schema of
another database.

I'm thinking of a "Duplicate" option on the main screen which will pop up
a dialog asking for the new name, driver, and how much to copy ("Schema &
Data", "Schema"). Can I do better?

Also, new options on the chooser screen won't fit. Will it be a problem if
I replace the "Open", "Del", "Info", and "Beam" buttons at the bottom of
the screen with a popup list which you select an action from and then tap
the database title?

Icons may also be better but I cannot draw for the life of me. 

Or an icon next to the database title that you could tap to get list of
database specific options?

Tom

[pilot-db-list] another test release

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

ftp://pilot-db.sourceforge.net/pub/pilot-db/dbtest.prc

Fixed two crashes from the last test release. Reenabled the list view
checkbox support, restoring a previously opened database, and some other
stuff.

Chooser supports the PalmOS 3.5 private record masking feature (not tested
though since I don't have 3.5). And the "info" dialog shows the database
driver name. 

Tom

Re: [pilot-db-list] Will there ever be a sourceforge web page?

[Tom D. <td...@vg...>]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> What needs to be done?  I might be able to at least spend enough time to
> get the front page up and going.  It would be _better_ if some of the
> other DB users stepped up to the plate to _head_ the work and I would
> be happy to help behind the scenes though.

Anyone who wants to help just needs to go to http://sourceforge.net/ and
make an account. Then they need to tell me what the username of that
account is so I can add permissions to edit the Web page.

Then to edit the Web pages, you just use ssh (Secure SHell - encrypted
telnet basically plus some other stuff) to access pilot-db.sourceforge.net
and go into the /home/groups/pilot-db directory where the pages sit. 

SourceForge is very good hosting site and makes stuff like this pretty
simple to setup and use. You do need ssh though. Getting it for UNIX is
easy. There are Windows versions hanging around the Net somewhere. 

Tom

Re: [pilot-db-list] Will there ever be a sourceforge web page?

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

From: Tom Dyas <td...@vg...>

> enough time to work on the code and not a Web site. That wouldn't preclude
> me from adding any other interested parties to the DB project on
> SourceForge so they could work on a Web site ... (hint hint)

Besides the 40 or so projects I am already working on <grin>?

What needs to be done?  I might be able to at least spend enough time to
get the front page up and going.  It would be _better_ if some of the
other DB users stepped up to the plate to _head_ the work and I would
be happy to help behind the scenes though.

-- 
Larry W. Virden <mailto:lv...@ca...>
<URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/>
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should 
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