From: Adil <ad...@ya...> - 2005-02-28 05:20:43
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Hello. I am suggesting a slightly different way of handling the account-status part. I have uploaded some screenshots and a little description here: http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 I haven't done any drag-n-drop (like dragging an account from the offline group to the online group to enable the account, and vise versa). I am not too hot on drag-n-drop, and i don'e know how to get it done (i am a gtk-newbie). -- Adil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Adil <ad...@ya...> - 2005-02-28 05:24:00
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Hello. I am suggesting a slightly different way of handling the account-status part. I have uploaded some screenshots and a little description here: http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 I haven't done any drag-n-drop (like dragging an account from the offline group to the online group to enable the account, and vise versa). I am not too hot on drag-n-drop, and i don'e know how to get it done (i am a gtk-newbie). -- Adil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Sean E. <sea...@bi...> - 2005-02-28 16:41:06
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On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 21:23 -0800, Adil wrote: >http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 I doubt anyone's that surprised that I don't like it ;). However, I'll listen to other people's opinions and maybe I can be swayed. Major gripes: - It's a buddy list. Not a "buddy and accounts" list. I know a lot of people supported putting a big list of the accounts in the buddy list (not as a separate tab) before. I wonder what they have to say about this. - We got rid of the two-tabs-on-the-buddy-list thing way back in 0.60 to much rejoicing. Granted, that second tab did nothing that can now be done in the one tab, but I'd like never to see a second tab again. - I've never heard anyone say that the accounts window is such a bad thing that it needs to be gotten rid of. I've heard plenty of people who think that clicking the "Online" checkbox in the accounts box is a non-obvious way to sign on. I think that a tree with menus is even more non-obvious. I'd be really interested in hearing other opinions, from people whose minds aren't already made up as mine is. Also, I'd be interested in seeing how you handle this with the global status, as you say you will be doing. -s. |
From: Adil <ad...@ya...> - 2005-02-28 19:36:40
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Hello. --- Sean Egan <sea...@bi...> wrote: > - It's a buddy list. Not a "buddy and accounts" list. I know a lot of > people supported putting a big list of the accounts in the buddy list > (not as a separate tab) before. I wonder what they have to say about > this. > a possibility: the current `buddy_list' be made `gaim_main', which will have the `buddy_list' and the `accounts_list'. > > Also, I'd be interested in > seeing how you handle this with the global status, as you say you will > be doing. > here's how i have done it (for now) http://adil.dotgeek.org/gaim/global.png not much of a surprise i guess. the online-group was missing a menu, so i added one :) but this will most likely be a much-less-obvious way of doing things. so a better solution would perhaps be to simply add this menu at the top/bottom of each online-account-menu (so by right clicking on an online account, a user can change the status of only that account or all of the accounts). adding an additional more obvious button-box at the bottom is always an option. [ you may have noticed that i have "Gaim" as the title in the screenshot :) ] -- Adil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-02-28 21:06:51
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:40:59 -0500, Sean Egan <sea...@bi...> wrote: > On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 21:23 -0800, Adil wrote: > >http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 > > - I've never heard anyone say that the accounts window is such a bad > thing that it needs to be gotten rid of. I've heard plenty of people who > think that clicking the "Online" checkbox in the accounts box is a > non-obvious way to sign on. I think that a tree with menus is even more > non-obvious. I don't think those are directly related. I do think a Online/Offline tree isn't precisely the most obvious thing, but I think a button like "Sign on", or "Connect" is more obvious than a checkbox. IMHO instead of an Online/Offline tree maybe you can just put them all together and just show the current state next to it. -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-02-28 21:56:16
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:20:36 -0800 (PST), Adil <ad...@ya...> wrote: > Hello. > > I am suggesting a slightly different way of handling the account-status > part. I have uploaded some screenshots and a little description here: > > http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 > > I haven't done any drag-n-drop (like dragging an account from the offline > group to the online group to enable the account, and vise versa). I am not > too hot on drag-n-drop, and i don'e know how to get it done (i am a > gtk-newbie). I like the idea of having a single place to modify the accounts and the status of them, however I have some comments: - I don't think Online/Offline is the best way to group accounts. - I don't think an Account menu should have only the status, maybe you can add preferences, set nickname, and much more stuff. - No need of that "My" in that "My Accounts", unless we store accounts of somebody else :-) - What about the progress of the "Connecting.." state? I also do like that in this approach we can see the exact status of all the accounts, in that respect I think it allows us to have more control. On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status selector. Having this kind of per-account information has other advantages too, like firsthand visible nicknames and buddy icons. -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Adil <ad...@ya...> - 2005-03-01 03:59:54
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Hello. --- Felipe Contreras <fel...@gm...> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:20:36 -0800 (PST), Adil <ad...@ya...> > wrote: > > Hello. > > > - I don't think Online/Offline is the best way to group accounts. that's the simplest way, i think. but Online/Connecting/Offline will possibly a better option? or no grouping at all? > > - I don't think an Account menu should have only the status, maybe you > can add preferences, set nickname, and much more stuff. > you mean something like this? http://adil.dotgeek.org/gaim/morop.png i have added the "Tools | Account Options". i think this covers the options you are talking about. > - No need of that "My" in that "My Accounts", unless we store accounts > of somebody else :-) indeed :) > > - What about the progress of the "Connecting.." state? right now, i am showing the status upon receiving a signal. so showing the progress of "Connecting..." state right now is not possible. however, since the "Signon" dialog is going to go, i guess it will be possible to show the different login-steps as the status, rather than "Connecting..." the whole time. > On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status > requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status > selector. changing global status is `just a click away' now :) http://adil.dotgeek.org/gaim/global.png (old screenshot: 'My Accounts') thanx for the comments and suggestions. -- Adil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 |
From: John B. <rek...@co...> - 2005-03-01 08:07:31
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Adil wrote: >>- I don't think Online/Offline is the best way to group accounts. > > that's the simplest way, i think. but Online/Connecting/Offline will > possibly a better option? or no grouping at all? No grouping would be better, I think. Or perhaps grouping by Enabled/Disabled, in the same vein that the Enabled checkbox in the account editor determines if the account is subject to the current global status. >>- I don't think an Account menu should have only the status, maybe you >>can add preferences, set nickname, and much more stuff. > > you mean something like this? > http://adil.dotgeek.org/gaim/morop.png > i have added the "Tools | Account Options". i think this covers the > options you are talking about. This is making the interface more confusing from a user's standpoint, especially when you add in all the Account Actions for an AIM account, for example. One way to manage this sanely may be to add an Account Actions submenu, just as the Tools menu currently has. This does, of course, create an unnecessarily substantial amount of duplication of items in the Tools menu. It also creates an additional nested menu structure that makes it just as hard to sensibly access functionality as the Tools menu does, therefore making this totally redundant. >>- What about the progress of the "Connecting.." state? > > right now, i am showing the status upon receiving a signal. so showing the > progress of "Connecting..." state right now is not possible. however, > since the "Signon" dialog is going to go, i guess it will be possible to > show the different login-steps as the status, rather than "Connecting..." > the whole time. Here, I think a "pulsing" protocol icon and the text the connecting window shows for each step would be appropriate. I also think forcing the big list here--only on the Accounts tab--would be a good move. Doing so opens the possibility of allowing the user to double-click the buddy icon and change it, although this is not the most intuitive way. >>On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status >>requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status >>selector. I agree, even in light of the new mockup that includes the global status submenu. Also, I can't help but think that adding a tab to the buddy list window would make users think that all Account Editor functions have been moved to that tab, when in reality they aren't or shouldn't be. This would cause all kinds of bug reports and RFEs over the UI. As much as I like the idea of having a tab on the buddy list window for managing accounts, I think Sean's current status selector and ideas are the simplest, least confusing method. The tabbed UI is not a bad idea per se, but it likely is not a good fit for Gaim. This disappoints me because I really did want the two-tab buddy list until I started dissecting it and finding the flaws in the approach. All in all, I think Sean's current implementation is still the best UI to date to deal with status, even though it reminds me of that horrid interface ICQ had. John |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-03-01 15:31:16
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:07:17 -0500, John Bailey <rek...@co...> wrote: > Adil wrote: > >>On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status > >>requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status > >>selector. > > I agree, even in light of the new mockup that includes the global status > submenu. > > Also, I can't help but think that adding a tab to the buddy list window > would make users think that all Account Editor functions have been moved > to that tab, when in reality they aren't or shouldn't be. This would > cause all kinds of bug reports and RFEs over the UI. > > As much as I like the idea of having a tab on the buddy list window for > managing accounts, I think Sean's current status selector and ideas are > the simplest, least confusing method. The tabbed UI is not a bad idea > per se, but it likely is not a good fit for Gaim. This disappoints me > because I really did want the two-tab buddy list until I started > dissecting it and finding the flaws in the approach. > > All in all, I think Sean's current implementation is still the best UI > to date to deal with status, even though it reminds me of that horrid > interface ICQ had. I don't think the approaches are exclusive. We can have the global status selector on the bottom on the main window and also the accounts tab for per-account modifications. I'm also not sure that a tabbed UI is the best idea, however, I think the same functionality should be somewhere, and currently Sean's design doesn't have it. -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-03-01 22:19:15
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I don't know if GMail properly follows the thread if I do a FWD so I'm sending this as a reply, since faceprint forgot to reply to all. On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:30:47AM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:07:17 -0500, John Bailey > > <rek...@co...> wrote: > > > Adil wrote: > > > >>On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status > > > >>requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status > > > >>selector. > > > > > > I agree, even in light of the new mockup that includes the global status > > > submenu. > > > > > > Also, I can't help but think that adding a tab to the buddy list window > > > would make users think that all Account Editor functions have been moved > > > to that tab, when in reality they aren't or shouldn't be. This would > > > cause all kinds of bug reports and RFEs over the UI. > > > > > > As much as I like the idea of having a tab on the buddy list window for > > > managing accounts, I think Sean's current status selector and ideas are > > > the simplest, least confusing method. The tabbed UI is not a bad idea > > > per se, but it likely is not a good fit for Gaim. This disappoints me > > > because I really did want the two-tab buddy list until I started > > > dissecting it and finding the flaws in the approach. > > > > > > All in all, I think Sean's current implementation is still the best UI > > > to date to deal with status, even though it reminds me of that horrid > > > interface ICQ had. > > > > I don't think the approaches are exclusive. We can have the global > > status selector on the bottom on the main window and also the accounts > > tab for per-account modifications. > > > > I'm also not sure that a tabbed UI is the best idea, however, I think > > the same functionality should be somewhere, and currently Sean's > > design doesn't have it. > > I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list. However, I would like to see > this kind of pop-up into the buddy list window, by pushing some sort of > button/bar above/next-to the global status selector. I remember seeing > something similar to what I want GUI-wise in a mail app...I think maybe > evolution. There should be a bar, that can be double-clicked to expand, > or dragged to partially expand the view of accounts at the bottom (or > optionally top, as I think the placement of the status selector/this > thing should probably be optional) of the buddy list. By doing this, > the primary interface is simple, and power users can simply double-click > or click-and-drag to get to advanced features. > > Thoughts? > > -Nathan -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2005-03-01 22:30:52
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On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 04:19:10PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote: > > I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list. However, I would like to see > > this kind of pop-up into the buddy list window, by pushing some sort of > > button/bar above/next-to the global status selector. I remember seeing > > something similar to what I want GUI-wise in a mail app...I think maybe > > evolution. There should be a bar, that can be double-clicked to expand, > > or dragged to partially expand the view of accounts at the bottom (or > > optionally top, as I think the placement of the status selector/this > > thing should probably be optional) of the buddy list. By doing this, > > the primary interface is simple, and power users can simply double-click > > or click-and-drag to get to advanced features. > > > > Thoughts? I like this idea, it is something that I'd advocated before sean's override, and I still think its a good idea. It is certainly preferable to a second tab. luke > > > > -Nathan > > -- > Felipe Contreras |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-03-02 01:27:56
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:19:10 -0600, Felipe Contreras <fel...@gm...> wrote: > I don't know if GMail properly follows the thread if I do a FWD so I'm > sending this as a reply, since faceprint forgot to reply to all. > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:30:47AM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > > On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:07:17 -0500, John Bailey > > > <rek...@co...> wrote: > > > > Adil wrote: > > > > >>On the other hand I don't like the way that setting a global status > > > > >>requires so many steps. That is something I like about Sean's status > > > > >>selector. > > > > > > > > I agree, even in light of the new mockup that includes the global status > > > > submenu. > > > > > > > > Also, I can't help but think that adding a tab to the buddy list window > > > > would make users think that all Account Editor functions have been moved > > > > to that tab, when in reality they aren't or shouldn't be. This would > > > > cause all kinds of bug reports and RFEs over the UI. > > > > > > > > As much as I like the idea of having a tab on the buddy list window for > > > > managing accounts, I think Sean's current status selector and ideas are > > > > the simplest, least confusing method. The tabbed UI is not a bad idea > > > > per se, but it likely is not a good fit for Gaim. This disappoints me > > > > because I really did want the two-tab buddy list until I started > > > > dissecting it and finding the flaws in the approach. > > > > > > > > All in all, I think Sean's current implementation is still the best UI > > > > to date to deal with status, even though it reminds me of that horrid > > > > interface ICQ had. > > > > > > I don't think the approaches are exclusive. We can have the global > > > status selector on the bottom on the main window and also the accounts > > > tab for per-account modifications. > > > > > > I'm also not sure that a tabbed UI is the best idea, however, I think > > > the same functionality should be somewhere, and currently Sean's > > > design doesn't have it. > > > > I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list. However, I would like to see > > this kind of pop-up into the buddy list window, by pushing some sort of > > button/bar above/next-to the global status selector. I remember seeing > > something similar to what I want GUI-wise in a mail app...I think maybe > > evolution. There should be a bar, that can be double-clicked to expand, > > or dragged to partially expand the view of accounts at the bottom (or > > optionally top, as I think the placement of the status selector/this > > thing should probably be optional) of the buddy list. By doing this, > > the primary interface is simple, and power users can simply double-click > > or click-and-drag to get to advanced features. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -Nathan Something like this? http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_collapsed_2.png http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_expanded_2.png -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Nathan W. <fac...@fa...> - 2005-03-02 05:34:30
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Felipe Contreras wrote: >>On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote: <snip> >>>I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list. However, I would like to see >>>this kind of pop-up into the buddy list window, by pushing some sort of >>>button/bar above/next-to the global status selector. I remember seeing >>>something similar to what I want GUI-wise in a mail app...I think maybe >>>evolution. There should be a bar, that can be double-clicked to expand, >>>or dragged to partially expand the view of accounts at the bottom (or >>>optionally top, as I think the placement of the status selector/this >>>thing should probably be optional) of the buddy list. By doing this, >>>the primary interface is simple, and power users can simply double-click >>>or click-and-drag to get to advanced features. >>> >>>Thoughts? >>> >>>-Nathan > > > Something like this? > > http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_collapsed_2.png > http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_expanded_2.png > Yeah, something about like that. Does anyone see anything wrong with that? |
From: John B. <rek...@co...> - 2005-03-02 04:57:11
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> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote: >>I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list. However, I would like to see >>this kind of pop-up into the buddy list window, by pushing some sort of >>button/bar above/next-to the global status selector. I remember seeing >>something similar to what I want GUI-wise in a mail app...I think maybe >>evolution. There should be a bar, that can be double-clicked to expand, >>or dragged to partially expand the view of accounts at the bottom (or >>optionally top, as I think the placement of the status selector/this >>thing should probably be optional) of the buddy list. By doing this, >>the primary interface is simple, and power users can simply double-click >>or click-and-drag to get to advanced features. >> >>Thoughts? >> >>-Nathan I think this would be a good idea. It would be simple from a user's perspective and unobtrusive to those who don't like it. I also like the idea of the location of the status widget and the expandable list being selectable. Making the expandable list entirely optional would probably be popular, as well. This will probably be shot down again, as it was when Luke suggested something similar, but at least it's getting a second mention. John |
From: Adil <ad...@ya...> - 2005-03-02 07:57:27
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Hello. --- John Bailey <rek...@co...> wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:15 -0500, Nathan Walp > <fac...@fa...> wrote: > > >>I am not in favor of a tabbed buddy list > This will probably be shot down again, as it was when Luke suggested > something similar, but at least it's getting a second mention. > > John i am rather surprised that most of the objections are about the tabbed lists. considering all the browsers these days are tabbed, the im/chat windows are mostly tabbed, and people even use tabbed window managers, i would have though most people are comfortable in tabbed environments. i even noticed that the preference-dialog in the gaim-cvs was tabbed. (although i didn't like that one). i have tried quite a few different ways of adding the account list in the window. i had also put it under an expander at the top of the buddy list. but i thought using different tabs for the two lists would be a better option, especially since the account list has nothing to do with the buddy list, and having two different windows for the two lists will likely be an overkill. -- Adil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2005-03-02 14:31:55
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 (PST), Adil wrote > i am rather surprised that most of the objections are about > the tabbed lists. considering all the browsers these days > are tabbed, the im/chat windows are mostly tabbed, and > people even use tabbed window managers, i would have though > most people are comfortable in tabbed environments. i even > noticed that the preference-dialog in the gaim-cvs was > tabbed. (although i didn't like that one). I'd like to point out that conversation windows only contain IMs and chats, web browsers only contain web pages, and the preference-dialog only contains tabs with preferences. I don't feel the buddy list and account manager are sufficiently related for it to make sense for them to be in the same window. > i have tried quite a few different ways of adding the > account list in the window. i had also put it under an > expander at the top of the buddy list. but i thought using > different tabs for the two lists would be a better option, > especially since the account list has nothing to do with the > buddy list, and having two different windows for the two > lists will likely be an overkill. I don't see why you think having a separate window for managing accounts is overkill. In general, the buddy list will be used extremely frequently and the account window will be used fairly infrequently. Personally I like having my account setup tucked away somewhere that doesn't get in the way. -Mark |
From: Sean E. <sea...@bi...> - 2005-03-02 16:26:13
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On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 09:31 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: > I don't see why you think having a separate window for managing accounts is overkill. In general, the buddy list will be used extremely frequently and the account window will be used fairly infrequently. Personally I like having my account setup tucked away somewhere that doesn't get in the way. I'm with Mark. I really can't stand that "Accounts pane in the Buddy List" idea. I can't really put my finger on it. It just seems... inelegant? hacky? ugly? I don't know. -s. |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2005-03-02 18:31:34
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 (PST), Adil wrote > > i am rather surprised that most of the objections are about the tabbed > > lists. considering all the browsers these days are tabbed, the im/chat > > windows are mostly tabbed, and people even use tabbed window managers, > > i would have though most people are comfortable in tabbed > > environments. i even noticed that the preference-dialog in the > > gaim-cvs was tabbed. (although i didn't like that one). >=20 > I'd like to point out that conversation windows only contain IMs and > chats, web browsers only contain web pages, and the preference-dialog > only contains tabs with preferences. I don't feel the buddy list and > account manager are sufficiently related for it to make sense for them > to be in the same window. I think this is a very eloquent expression of the issue. I agree with Mark on this. Now if only we can get him to line-wrap his emails... ;-) Ethan --=20 The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 |
From: Etan R. <de...@ed...> - 2005-03-04 05:38:40
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Ethan Blanton wrote: > Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom: > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 (PST), Adil wrote > > > i am rather surprised that most of the objections are about the tabbed > > > lists. considering all the browsers these days are tabbed, the im/chat > > > windows are mostly tabbed, and people even use tabbed window managers, > > > i would have though most people are comfortable in tabbed > > > environments. i even noticed that the preference-dialog in the > > > gaim-cvs was tabbed. (although i didn't like that one). > > > > I'd like to point out that conversation windows only contain IMs and > > chats, web browsers only contain web pages, and the preference-dialog > > only contains tabs with preferences. I don't feel the buddy list and > > account manager are sufficiently related for it to make sense for them > > to be in the same window. > > I think this is a very eloquent expression of the issue. I agree with > Mark on this. Now if only we can get him to line-wrap his emails... ;-) > > Ethan I'd like to say that I don't like the tabbed buddy list ui for this at all, I think it's clunky, confusing, complicated and unnatural; but I think that's been covered enough so I'm going to move on. I did like the idea of doing away with the Accounts dialog, however. I was having a conversation with my girlfriend a couple days ago about some gaim UI choices (she was complaining about what, to her, seemed some arbitrary option placement choices) and we came to the conclusion that an Accounts menu in the buddy list might be a good idea. Rather than explaining my ideas behind it I figure I'll just show everyone and explain why I like it once people yell about how much they hate it. So with that http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~deryni/gaim-account-menu1.png through gaim-account-menu4.png. (One caveat: I haven't decided if I like the Remove submenu or the Remove menu item per-account yet.) -Etan P.S. I make no claims about this being used for anything having to do with account status or global status (though that could be added if we chose to do that). I'm really just intending this to be the one place people go look for all their account setup and account options. |
From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2005-03-04 22:39:07
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 12:38:11AM -0500, Etan Reisner wrote: > I did like the idea of doing away with the Accounts dialog, however. I > was having a conversation with my girlfriend a couple days ago about > some gaim UI choices (she was complaining about what, to her, seemed > some arbitrary option placement choices) and we came to the conclusion > that an Accounts menu in the buddy list might be a good idea. Rather > than explaining my ideas behind it I figure I'll just show everyone and > explain why I like it once people yell about how much they hate it. So > with that http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~deryni/gaim-account-menu1.png > through gaim-account-menu4.png. (One caveat: I haven't decided if I like > the Remove submenu or the Remove menu item per-account yet.) > > -Etan While this would not be a good idea for status control, I think it is a good interface for account management. I think that the periodic requests about "how do I sign on two accounts at once" and requests along the lines of user: why did you stop gaim from having two instances? me: we didn't, you just have to set some environment variable. but why do you need it? user: to use two protocols me: go to tools->accounts and set both to sign on. user: oh. as well as frequent requests that demonstrate that both the buddy icon modification in the accounts dialog, and the account actions menu are both of them less than ideal. This interface would I think be an improvement. luke |
From: Felipe C. <fel...@gm...> - 2005-03-05 01:17:03
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:38:11 -0500 (EST), Etan Reisner <de...@ed...> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Ethan Blanton wrote: > > Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom: > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:57:18 -0800 (PST), Adil wrote > > > > i am rather surprised that most of the objections are about the tabbed > > > > lists. considering all the browsers these days are tabbed, the im/chat > > > > windows are mostly tabbed, and people even use tabbed window managers, > > > > i would have though most people are comfortable in tabbed > > > > environments. i even noticed that the preference-dialog in the > > > > gaim-cvs was tabbed. (although i didn't like that one). > > > > > > I'd like to point out that conversation windows only contain IMs and > > > chats, web browsers only contain web pages, and the preference-dialog > > > only contains tabs with preferences. I don't feel the buddy list and > > > account manager are sufficiently related for it to make sense for them > > > to be in the same window. > > > > I think this is a very eloquent expression of the issue. I agree with > > Mark on this. Now if only we can get him to line-wrap his emails... ;-) > > > > Ethan > > I'd like to say that I don't like the tabbed buddy list ui for this at > all, I think it's clunky, confusing, complicated and unnatural; but I > think that's been covered enough so I'm going to move on. > > I did like the idea of doing away with the Accounts dialog, however. I > was having a conversation with my girlfriend a couple days ago about > some gaim UI choices (she was complaining about what, to her, seemed > some arbitrary option placement choices) and we came to the conclusion > that an Accounts menu in the buddy list might be a good idea. Rather > than explaining my ideas behind it I figure I'll just show everyone and > explain why I like it once people yell about how much they hate it. So > with that http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~deryni/gaim-account-menu1.png > through gaim-account-menu4.png. (One caveat: I haven't decided if I like > the Remove submenu or the Remove menu item per-account yet.) I don't think it's a good idea to add something that can grow into a menu. My first tought is a menu with all my buddies in it. /me shivers. I think anything that can have a scrollbar is ok, and drag-and-drop would be cool too. Both the tab approach and the slider pane approach would allow that, but the menu thing would not. However I think we are seeing a tendency that points us maybe the access to accounts options really needs to be more available. -- Felipe Contreras |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2005-03-02 18:40:12
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Nathan Walp spake unto us the following wisdom: > Felipe Contreras wrote: [snip] > >Something like this? > > > >http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_collapsed_2.png > >http://felipec.orgfree.com/images/status_expanded_2.png >=20 > Yeah, something about like that. Does anyone see anything wrong with tha= t? So, the Mozilla Sidebar kind of idea... If we determine that individual accounts belong in the buddy list, I think this is a relatively _power- ful_ way to do it; I'm not sure I think it's a very discoverable or usable way to do it. However, fundamentally I agree with Sean (or Mark, or whoever said it) that I'm not sure this belongs in such a prominent location at all. Ethan --=20 The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 |
From: <gn...@ru...> - 2005-03-01 14:27:23
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Adil <ad...@ya...> writes: > Hello. > > I am suggesting a slightly different way of handling the account-status > part. I have uploaded some screenshots and a little description here: > > http://www.geocities.com/adil040/gaimst.html?200528 > > I haven't done any drag-n-drop (like dragging an account from the > offline group to the online group to enable the account, and vise > versa). I am not too hot on drag-n-drop, and i don'e know how to get > it done (i am a gtk-newbie). I hope that it is OK for non-developers to chime in here. Please flame me or ignore me if this is not the case. If an account has very recently been disconnected then it would be really cool if the corresponding icons on the buddy list were replaced with lightening symbols. This would tell me that I had a chance to regain connection. Furthermore it would be cool if the "online"-column in the "account" window was split into two columns. Here the option "login" means "Try to log in during the following session", whereas "status" does not contain an option. Accounts window Status Login autologin 678758765 offline x x el...@ja... online x Apart from the two above clues I would probably prefer to avoid any further visual information on whether or not my accounts are online. The reason is that in most cases I don't need to know whether msn is dead or whether my friends are offline. Either they can chat or they cannot chat :) Furthermore my gaim almost always works flawlessly, and therefore the online/offline information can just as well be hidden in the accounts menu. Thank you for making gaim, I use it all the time. Niels |
From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2005-03-02 14:25:35
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:39:15 +0100, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote > I hope that it is OK for non-developers to chime in here. Please > flame me or ignore me if this is not the case. Yes, non-developers should ALWAYS feel free to chime in here. Getting feedback from lots of different people is one of the main benefits of the gaim-devel mailing list. -Mark |