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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 03:04:50
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I'm not an MSN user, really. Nor is anyone I know. I'm trying to better integrate mobile status with our new status API. We currently overlay a cell phone icon on an MSN user in some cases. When I try signing onto MSN on my cell phone, that icon does not come up. When, from Gaim, I turn on "Send to mobile," that icon does come up, but the status is still tied to Gaim. I can be offline and still have that icon. Sending a message does nothing, but choosing "Send to mobile" from the context menu sends me an SMS message. Does this all sound like an accurate description? If so, is that the way it *should* behave? Is it important to the have the cell phone icon there? I'm trying to change Gaim to show the cell phone icon only when sending a message to that person will result in it going to a mobile device. It seems like, when the person is online, we should not ever show the mobile icon. Then, when that person signs off, we continue to show them as online, with the mobile icon, and send any IMs to that person to his mobile device. Can an MSN user respond to an SMS sent this way? -s. |
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From: Richard L. <rl...@wi...> - 2007-02-04 03:51:35
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On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 19:04 -0800, Sean Egan wrote: > Does this all sound like an accurate description? Yes. > If so, is that the > way it *should* behave? No. > Is it important to the have the cell phone > icon there? I'm trying to change Gaim to show the cell phone icon only > when sending a message to that person will result in it going to a > mobile device. I like. > It seems like, when the person is online, we should not ever show the > mobile icon. Then, when that person signs off, we continue to show > them as online, with the mobile icon, and send any IMs to that person > to his mobile device. Perfection! > Can an MSN user respond to an SMS sent this way? Yes, at least in some cases. Richard |
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From: Kevin M S. <ke...@si...> - 2007-02-04 04:04:15
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Richard Laager wrote: > On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 19:04 -0800, Sean Egan wrote: >> It seems like, when the person is online, we should not ever show the >> mobile icon. Then, when that person signs off, we continue to show >> them as online, with the mobile icon, and send any IMs to that person >> to his mobile device. >=20 > Perfection! >=20 This is how AIM handles it, I believe. Having the functionality consistent between protocols sounds likes a plus to me. Kevin |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 04:35:12
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On 2/3/07, Kevin M Stange <ke...@si...> wrote: > This is how AIM handles it, I believe. Having the functionality > consistent between protocols sounds likes a plus to me. Right, but that's because that's the way the AIM protocol and client handles it. I wouldn't want Gaim to do something weird and unexpected for MSN users. -s. |
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From: Richard L. <rl...@wi...> - 2007-02-04 04:53:53
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On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 20:35 -0800, Sean Egan wrote: > Right, but that's because that's the way the AIM protocol and client > handles it. I wouldn't want Gaim to do something weird and unexpected > for MSN users. As far as I recall, you don't do anything special in MSN on Windows to send mobile messages. I believe it just shows a little banner in the conversation window that it's going to their mobile device. Richard |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 09:35:38
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>From my playing around, it looks like a user has to be online to get his or her mobile number, and that we need the mobile number to send a message to it. So if Gaim were to behave the way I described, it would only be able to do so for people who were online at the same time as I was, but then signed off. If you're offline for a month, there's no way you're getting a message. Does this sound right? If so, I'm favoring removing the "wireless" emblem from MSN at all, as it certainly seems not to be any sort of actual 'status' -s. |
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From: Lee R. <phr...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 15:32:00
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Sean Egan wrote:
> From my playing around, it looks like a user has to be online to get
> his or her mobile number, and that we need the mobile number to send
> a message to it. So if Gaim were to behave the way I described, it
> would only be able to do so for people who were online at the same
> time as I was, but then signed off. If you're offline for a month,
> there's no way you're getting a message. Does this sound right?
>
> If so, I'm favoring removing the "wireless" emblem from MSN at all,
> as it certainly seems not to be any sort of actual 'status'
I'm not really a MSN user by any stretch of the imagination, but my cell
phone (Windows Mobile 5.0 PocketPC) is just about always signed on,
whether via GPRS, wifi, or USB+Activesync, so I figured I'd chip in my
notes.
Microsoft has not (and likely will not) contract with my cellular
provider to provide SMS-based MSN messaging. The official Windows Live
Messenger (v 8.0.0812.00) always shows that user as mobile regardless of
sign on order. And for reference, the official client shows does the
following for mobile users: nothing different on the buddy list, banner
message at top of IM window ("Messages you type here are delivered to a
mobile phone or pager. The recipient may be charged for each message by
his or her wireless service provider"), and hides the tab displaying
buddy icons. Yet Gaim (revision 18175) shows no mobile emblem for this
user, and I can't "Send to mobile" within Gaim (or any other client)
because of the lack of SMS transport agreement.
I disagree with removing the mobile emblem for MSN on the basis that
someday (after MSNp13 is merged?) Gaim will show said emblem for my
non-MSN-over-SMS cell phone. Of course, if you're talking about removing
a different component that wouldn't effect my scenario at all, you can
ignore my ramblings.
--Lee
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From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX - 2007-02-07 15:55:50
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX Richard Laager wrote: > On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 20:35 -0800, Sean Egan wrote: >> Right, but that's because that's the way the AIM protocol and client >> handles it. I wouldn't want Gaim to do something weird and unexpected >> for MSN users. > > As far as I recall, you don't do anything special in MSN on Windows to > send mobile messages. I believe it just shows a little banner in the > conversation window that it's going to their mobile device. Not only does it show a banner in the conversation window but the buddy list MSN icon is Yellow instead of the normal blue. XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2007-02-07 19:46:11
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On 2/7/07, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > Not only does it show a banner in the conversation window but the buddy list MSN > icon is Yellow instead of the normal blue. And this is iff the buddy is offline, but has SMS forwarding setup? -s. |
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From: Lee R. <phr...@gm...> - 2007-02-07 21:49:33
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Sean Egan wrote: > On 2/7/07, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > > Not only does it show a banner in the conversation window but the > > buddy list MSN icon is Yellow instead of the normal blue. > > And this is if the buddy is offline, but has SMS forwarding setup? Here's a screen cap of Windows Live Messenger 8.1.0178.00 with the following visible: mobile available (no SMS), full client away, and an offline SMS forwarded user. Note that mobile-non-SMS user receives no special recognition on buddy list, while the IM window displays the aforementioned banner message. Hovering said user on buddy list gives tooltip "(Mobile/Online)", while hovering SMS-forwarded-offline user says "(Mobile)". http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7003/clipboard02yp8.png --Lee |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2007-02-07 21:51:53
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On 2/7/07, Lee Roach <phr...@gm...> wrote: > Here's a screen cap of Windows Live Messenger 8.1.0178.00 with the > following visible: mobile available (no SMS), full client away, and an > offline SMS forwarded user. Ok. Sounds like I've done it right, then, with the exception that I don't get any indication that a person is mobile unless he signs online. I'll see if I can figure that out. -s. |
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From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX - 2007-02-08 09:04:48
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX Lee Roach wrote: > Here's a screen cap of Windows Live Messenger 8.1.0178.00 with the > following visible: mobile available (no SMS), full client away, and an > offline SMS forwarded user. > > http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7003/clipboard02yp8.png Fantastic, I hadn't seen the new Live messenger I didn't know they put adverts on your buddy list. I take it that they update every minute or so? Advertisers must love that as they must be able to get clear statistics on how long the buddy list has been visible to the user. Why would anyone put up with that if they don't have to? It also begs the question of when they will put them in the conversation window as well. Regards XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
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From: Kevin M S. <ke...@si...> - 2007-02-08 09:35:38
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Phil Hannent wrote: > Lee Roach wrote: >> Here's a screen cap of Windows Live Messenger 8.1.0178.00 with the=20 >> following visible: mobile available (no SMS), full client away, and an= =20 >> offline SMS forwarded user. >=20 >> http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7003/clipboard02yp8.png > Fantastic, I hadn't seen the new Live messenger I didn't know they put = adverts > on your buddy list. I take it that they update every minute or so? Ad= vertisers > must love that as they must be able to get clear statistics on how long= the > buddy list has been visible to the user. >=20 > Why would anyone put up with that if they don't have to? It also begs = the > question of when they will put them in the conversation window as well.= >=20 ICQ had them in the conversation window as of a few years ago. I don't know if they still do since they re-crappified all their software. Kevin |
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From: Lee R. <phr...@gm...> - 2007-02-08 17:49:24
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XXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > Fantastic, I hadn't seen the new Live messenger I didn't know they put adverts > on your buddy list. I take it that they update every minute or so? Advertisers > must love that as they must be able to get clear statistics on how long the > buddy list has been visible to the user. > > Why would anyone put up with that if they don't have to? It also begs the > question of when they will put them in the conversation window as well. > I gave up timing the banner after 3 minutes, so probably around 5-30 minute range. I tolerate it on occasion because I lack the time to pitch in to whatever happened to Gaim-vv, and I lack the desire to buy LCS and whatever the heck else Microsoft wants you to buy in order to re-brand it's messenger. --Lee |
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From: Stephen E. <spe...@gm...> - 2007-02-08 21:22:02
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On 2/8/07, Lee Roach <phr...@gm...> wrote: > XXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > > Fantastic, I hadn't seen the new Live messenger I didn't know they put adverts > > on your buddy list. I take it that they update every minute or so? Advertisers > > must love that as they must be able to get clear statistics on how long the > > buddy list has been visible to the user. > > > > Why would anyone put up with that if they don't have to? It also begs the > > question of when they will put them in the conversation window as well. > > > I gave up timing the banner after 3 minutes, so probably around 5-30 > minute range. > > I tolerate it on occasion because I lack the time to pitch in to > whatever happened to Gaim-vv, and I lack the desire to buy LCS and > whatever the heck else Microsoft wants you to buy in order to re-brand > it's messenger. > > --Lee > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel > There are adverts (animated, even) in the buddy list. Also, there are ads in conversation windows, in the form of status bar messages (mostly offering webcam/new versions). Not to mention the moving ads that appear while the video conversation is connecting. Once Gaim-vv is operational there will be no need to put up with this kind of crap. -- Stephen "Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." --James Bovard |
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