Thread: [Gaim-cabal] more smileys

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From: "Sean Egan" <sea...@gm...>
To: "gaim-cabal" <gai...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: [Gaim-cabal] more smileys

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:50:55 -0700, Sean Egan wrote
> http://gaim.sf.net/sean/smileys.png

* I like getting lots of smiley emails.
* I really really like the "Y" icon for Yahoo! instead of the
  meaningless yellow face that we have now.
* I very much prefer the MS butterfly for MSN (although I'm not
  a big fan of the one in
  http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png--it's
  too difficult to tell what it is).
* It's probably just not his style... but I think I would prefer
  icons that have a slightly more 3d and shiney look about them
* I don't like the clock for awayness.  It's counterintuitive
  to me.  A clock should mean idle.  I think it's much more
  commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing
  to signify awayness.
* The blue blobby guy... I don't quite understand it.  Is that
  intended to replace the Gaim guy?  It seems like it should be
  more purple.  And perhaps resemble a human a bit more.
  Especially the smallest version, which tends to look like two
  meaningless blobs to me.
* In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show
  the protocol next to the screen name anymore.  I'm not sure
  I like that.  Well, mostly I don't understand the speech
  bubble icon next to jdev.  Is that supposed to mean away?
  It seems like it means available for chat or something.
  And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited
  for use as a button rather than to display someone's state.

On 9/22/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote:
> * I very much prefer the MS butterfly for MSN (although I'm not
>   a big fan of the one in
>   http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png--it's
>   too difficult to tell what it is).

That's not an MSN butterfly, it's a Sametime logo:
http://www-142.ibm.com/software/sw-lotus/products/product3.nsf/wdocs/st75home

The MSN dude is the logo for MSN Messenger, and the smiley face is the
logo for Yahoo messenger. If we use the butterfly and the Y!, we
should just as well use the AOL triangle thing. I don't really care
much about this, though. I can ask him to make a butterfly logo and we
can decide later which we want to use.

> * It's probably just not his style... but I think I would prefer
>   icons that have a slightly more 3d and shiney look about them

I don't like the whole Apple/KDE "Everything is always really shiney
all they time" look. He's following the Tango style which says only
things that are actually shiney should look shiney. I'm definitely
happy with his style.

> * I don't like the clock for awayness.  It's counterintuitive
>   to me.  A clock should mean idle.  I think it's much more
>   commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing
>   to signify awayness.

I think you (and everyone else who's shared this opinion) are just
saying this because you're primarily AIM users. Yahoo uses a clock to
represent idle. MSN uses it to represent away. Google Talk uses it to
represent "away," but it's client uses away as idle. It seems like AIM
uses the post-it note because going away is the only way to set a
status message on AIM; it's more of a "I have a status message," than
away, originally.

I'm not sure which way we'll go on this; the only reason I have any
sort of opinion is mainly that I just really like his clock icon and
would like to see it used. He's an MSN user, mainly, so it makes sense
that his icons will be inspired by MSN.

> * The blue blobby guy... I don't quite understand it.  Is that
>   intended to replace the Gaim guy?  It seems like it should be
>   more purple.  And perhaps resemble a human a bit more.
>   Especially the smallest version, which tends to look like two
>   meaningless blobs to me.

The blobby guy is purely temporary until we figure out a good Available icon.

> * In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show
>   the protocol next to the screen name anymore.  I'm not sure
>   I like that.  Well, mostly I don't understand the speech
>   bubble icon next to jdev.  Is that supposed to mean away?
>   It seems like it means available for chat or something.
>   And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited
>   for use as a button rather than to display someone's state.

jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we
should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list
and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status,
they get a special "this is a chat room" icon.

-s.

On 9/23/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
>
> jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we
> should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list
> and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status,
> they get a special "this is a chat room" icon.

I am not in favour of completely removing the protocol icons from the buddy
list. I think that many/most people do want to see the protocol icons. I
have been requested to use different colors for buddies in different
protocols in gntgaim. I don't think I am going to do that anytime soon, but
I do plan on accepting a patch if one comes along that allows this. Also,
for chats, I have 'gaim' for SILC, and 'gaim' for jabber, and it would look
'odd' to me if both looked exactly the same. Having the protocol icons show
up in the tooltip won't be of much help to me because I am not used to using
the mouse to open a chat/conversation window.

... my half cent. :-)

-- Adil

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Sean Egan wrote:
> On 9/22/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote:

<snip>

>> * I don't like the clock for awayness.  It's counterintuitive
>>   to me.  A clock should mean idle.  I think it's much more
>>   commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing
>>   to signify awayness.
>
> I think you (and everyone else who's shared this opinion) are just
> saying this because you're primarily AIM users. Yahoo uses a clock to
> represent idle. MSN uses it to represent away. Google Talk uses it to
> represent "away," but it's client uses away as idle. It seems like AIM
> uses the post-it note because going away is the only way to set a
> status message on AIM; it's more of a "I have a status message," than
> away, originally.
>
> I'm not sure which way we'll go on this; the only reason I have any
> sort of opinion is mainly that I just really like his clock icon and
> would like to see it used. He's an MSN user, mainly, so it makes sense
> that his icons will be inspired by MSN.

I tend to lean towards the note-type icon for away (I started on ICQ, 
but mainly used AIM). I think that if we wanted to keep the clock icon 
(which I think is a good idea as it is a good icon) we could consider 
adding it as an idle icon, since dimming is probably harder for visually 
impaired people and having icons for all states is probably a good 
thing.

I do have a question about the clock icon though, and that is why the 
smallest icon size has the clock hands in different places than the 
larger sizes? I'm not sure I like that.

<snip>

>> * In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show
>>   the protocol next to the screen name anymore.  I'm not sure
>>   I like that.  Well, mostly I don't understand the speech
>>   bubble icon next to jdev.  Is that supposed to mean away?
>>   It seems like it means available for chat or something.
>>   And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited
>>   for use as a button rather than to display someone's state.
>
> jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we
> should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list
> and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status,
> they get a special "this is a chat room" icon.
>
> -s.

I'm not sure I like removing the protocol icon from the buddy list, but 
I'll hold off on that until we get farther in the new icon stuff.
I don't think that double speech bubble icon is very 'chat room' though, 
a single bubble strikes me better (despite our current use of one as the 
New IM icon), as would anything involving multiple 'people' icons.

 	-Etan

On 9/23/06, Etan Reisner <de...@ed...> wrote:
> I tend to lean towards the note-type icon for away (I started on ICQ,
> but mainly used AIM). I think that if we wanted to keep the clock icon
> (which I think is a good idea as it is a good icon) we could consider
> adding it as an idle icon, since dimming is probably harder for visually
> impaired people and having icons for all states is probably a good
> thing.

Idle isn't really a state, though. It's a flag. On most protocols that
support idle, you're idle AND away or idle AND available. We could add
it as an emblem.

> I do have a question about the clock icon though, and that is why the
> smallest icon size has the clock hands in different places than the
> larger sizes? I'm not sure I like that.

I guess the original time doesn't' scale down that well.

-s.

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