Re: [Gaim-devel] tabs

[Spundun B. <sp...@IS...>]

Hi, I am one of the lurkers on the list....
I think I have some constructive suggestions on the topic.

-> I think you could easily have a section in faq specifically for the
recent changes esp. in the cvs and the logic behind that, and the
direction its going... you could make a special mention of the section
in the topic statement on irc so that the cvs users specifically go to
the faq and checkout the latest issues and a discussion on that. The way
you guys have put it on this thread I think it should be lot easier to
maintain such a section than to answer everybody separately. It will
save the hassel for all the sides.
-> alternatively(or at the same time) any update to the cvs which may
rais obvious questions can be discussed by the person who commited it on
this mailing list sort of preemptively it will make being on this list
more exciting :) ... ( This list definatly lacks activity considering
its one of the most active opensource projects..barring today ofcourse
:) )

-> I strongly reccomend changing the topic line on the #gaim (the "using
cvs revokes your right to complain" part) by one of the suggesstions
above. Probably the strong words are meant to be taken lightly but they
are not conveying the right immpression (my opinion)

-> I again very strongly reccomend removing the "no more talking about
gentoo, you're not smart enough" part from the #gaim topic line. The
statement at the same time being very strong is also not at all
defendable. It doesnt convey any information to a gentoo user who is not
smart enough. I dont  see *a single comment* on the faq about the gentoo
distro. If you are sick and tired of gentoo questions (which apparently
you are..) you should add a q/a on the faq page.... I am a gentoo user.
Gentoo makes it very easy to use gaim-cvs (which might be one of the
reasons you are getting "too many users" using cvs.) Its a distro which
is gaining a lot of popularity and gaim could use it for very extensive
testing. I dont know whats the exact nature of problems the gentoo users
face... but I am willing to help write a short note on that... (If the
issues are just too elaborate.. you could direct them to the gentoo docs
page first rather then telling them they are not smart enough) but my
experience with both gaim-cvs and gentoo is very amaturish.

Hope this helps
Spundun

On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 11:21, Rob Flynn wrote:
> > Because, contrary to how this thread might look, we *do* get plenty of
> > useful feedback.  There are stretches of days at a time where all of
> > the feedback is redundant and hardly useful, but fortunately they
> > aren't contiguous.  :-)
> >
> > Ethan
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> I want to say that we DO appreciate ALL feedback from our users.  You're
> right that there isn't a lot of discussion and/or reporting of bugs and
> such on the mailing list.  I gets MANY IMs each day from people who usually
> all say the same thing.
> 
> We don't mean to come off as sounding rude.  Sometimes we've just had a bad
> day, are sick, or have been bombarded all day with the same question.  I
> think that we (gaim) have one of the more approachable development teams in
> comparison to some of the other projects out there.
> 
> We usually try to take the time to listen to what you've got to say.
> Granted, a lot of times when I get an IM, I respond very shortly and just
> sa "busy. email me."   I don't do this to be rude, but I have a regular job
> where I have to get things done, so I just send people to e-mail. I do,
> however, reply to their message eventually.
> 
> We like the fact that we allow people to use our CVS, to help out with
> development, and to talk to us and join in on discussions about it.  That's
> what open source is all about.  That's what having a good project is all
> about.
> 
> I think that after this week, everything will be cool and back to normal. I
> think we're all just getting anxious.  We're already behind our initial
> schedule on releasing 0.60.  We, as developers, want it released just as
> much as you, as the users, do.
> 
> After that, we can kick back and have a nice {cold|warm} glass of
> {beer|milk|soda} and enjoy the world again.
> 
> This has been a public service announcement by a rambling idiot.  ;-)
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
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