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[pidget-devel] V and more

[Mahavir H. <Ho...@fu...>]

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Colossus namedMen make it so.

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[Roel P. <Pe...@jh...>]

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[Imhotep S. <Sma...@ju...>]

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dread judge was there to efface it.
true.
He rose when she entered, and if he was not as pale as she was, i
To all? blazed Levasseur.  Ah ca!  To all of you, you animals!
astern, suggested to him at first that it was early morning, on
She shivered, as if cold, and setting her elbows on the table, sh
offering to take us into the French service? he asked.  On what
followed swiftly.  Was it you, then...?
What shall that mean, sir?
Medicinae baccalaureus, said Mr. Blood.
growing shorter in a measure as his patients healed.  That they a


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[Camilo A. <Do...@ke...>]

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humanitarian considerations than by the reflection that he had
pensiveness.  But they were alert, observant eyes notwithstanding
to say to you.
purchased his own pardon for forty thousand pounds.  Peter Blood
gleaming golden in the dazzling June sunshine.  Avenues intersect

way, ye muckrake, faith, I'll be humouring you.
ceased, and Blood turned to greet him.
truculent, and disdainful.
among which was the clause that any man found guilty of abstracti
he doesn't come out of Port Royal with it again, and sooner or

suave urbanity invited.  He took his meals in the great cabin wit
of this they sped on to pick up the three boats that were standin



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[Thelma R. <Ti...@je...>]

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only a title but a whole family for the young rebel.

That'll be the signal to lie to, said Blood, in the same listle
And because Nature in him was stronger - as it is in most of us -
your niece.  As long as  Blood lives, she will wait for him.
that I consider just and therefore uphold, you may look for troub
ships, to which they now abruptly disclosed themselves.
descended to the boat that had taken him ashore.  The sentry on
and reading him despised him.


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her to do nothing; but the sheriff now beckoned, and he quietly.
followed.  Accompanied by his father and Steger, he ascended to
his new room.
It was a simple, white-walled chamber fifteen by twenty feet in.
size, rather high-ceiled, supplied with a high-backed, yellow woo.
bed, a yellow bureau, a small imitation-cherry table, three very.
ordinary cane-seated chairs with carved hickory-rod backs,.


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Re: [pidget-devel] new bindings

[Luke E. <lu...@eh...>]

> $contact1Name = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Name");
> $contact1Address = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Address");
> $contact1Phone = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Phone");
> 
> That way we would have only one function to deal with.

Yeah, I like this method better than the one I suggested.  There would
have been a lot of overhead that was unnecessary.  This way they can
extract only what they want/need.

This also has the added benifit of allowing the widget developers to
customize the data output.  For example, think of a date/time widget
that allows you to select a calendar date and a time.  When making the
widget, you could have the GetRequestValue method respond with the name
of "Timestamp" (as well as "Day", "Hour", etc) which automatically
converts the whole thing to a timestamp for you.

Luke
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Re: [pidget-devel] new bindings

[David W. <dj...@ne...>]

Luke Ehresman wrote:

>On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:51:55PM -0400, David Whittington wrote:
>  
>
>>Indeed. We need to be able to retrieve information from widgets after a 
>>... [snip] ...
>>assigned to the widget. What do people think? Is it a worthy idea?
>>    
>>
>
>I think that's a good idea for assigning names to widgets, but I'm a bit
>skeptical about what happens after post.  As far as setting names, it
>could be another parameter of the constructor, and at render-time, the
>names could get concatinated together with parent names.  Example:
>
>    $fnEditbox = new pEditbox($form, "FirstName");
>    $lnEditbox = new pEditbox($form, "LastName");
>
>That all works fine, I think.  But after the form has been posted, how
>do we retrieve the values from $_POST?  They could do it manually, but
>that is less than ideal.  I would really like to have an object
>interface that gets loaded on form post which contains some easy way to
>get the data.  Preferrably without having to know the names of the
>widgets themselves.
>
>What I'm thinking is something like this:  At the top of a page that has
>some values in the $_POST variable, an object heierarchy will be created
>of pData objects.  The pData object would have methods like:
>    GetData();
>    GetType();
>    GetName();
>    GetChildren();
>This way, to use your example of the contact manager, To fetch
>information after a post with two contact widgets on the same page, they
>would receive a pData widget heierarchy that would look like this:
>
>    pData[page]
>      |
>      +-- pData[contact1]
>      |    |
>      |    +-- pData[firstname]
>      |    +-- pData[lastname]
>      |    +-- pData[phone]
>      |
>      +-- pData[contact2]
>           |
>           +-- pData[firstname]
>           +-- pData[lastname]
>           +-- pData[phone]
>
>Would something like that work?
>Luke
>  
>
Oops! I left part out. That's what I get for writing an email while 
playing Nethack. I was figuring each widget would have static members 
for retrieving it's date. For example you could do something like this:

$contact1Name = pContactWidget::getContactName("widgetName");
$contact1Address = pContactWidget::getContactAddress("widgetName");
$contact1Phone = pContactWidget::getContactName("widgetName");

Or, on second thought maybe we would do something like this:

$contact1Name = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Name");
$contact1Address = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Address");
$contact1Phone = pContactWidget::getRequestValue("widgetName", "Phone");

That way we would have only one function to deal with.

I see two advantages to doing it this way. First, it will avoid a lot of 
overhead. A large form could instantiate a lot of objects if we require 
that an object is instanciated for each form value. Also, this will give 
widgets more control over how the data is presented to the client 
application. If a person wants to write a contact widget that spits out 
contact object in addition to or instead of regular string values they 
can do so. Any thoughts?

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David "Spartacus" Whittington

Re: [pidget-devel] new bindings

[Luke E. <lu...@eh...>]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:51:55PM -0400, David Whittington wrote:
>
> Indeed. We need to be able to retrieve information from widgets after a 
> ... [snip] ...
> assigned to the widget. What do people think? Is it a worthy idea?

I think that's a good idea for assigning names to widgets, but I'm a bit
skeptical about what happens after post.  As far as setting names, it
could be another parameter of the constructor, and at render-time, the
names could get concatinated together with parent names.  Example:

    $fnEditbox = new pEditbox($form, "FirstName");
    $lnEditbox = new pEditbox($form, "LastName");

That all works fine, I think.  But after the form has been posted, how
do we retrieve the values from $_POST?  They could do it manually, but
that is less than ideal.  I would really like to have an object
interface that gets loaded on form post which contains some easy way to
get the data.  Preferrably without having to know the names of the
widgets themselves.

What I'm thinking is something like this:  At the top of a page that has
some values in the $_POST variable, an object heierarchy will be created
of pData objects.  The pData object would have methods like:
    GetData();
    GetType();
    GetName();
    GetChildren();
This way, to use your example of the contact manager, To fetch
information after a post with two contact widgets on the same page, they
would receive a pData widget heierarchy that would look like this:

    pData[page]
      |
      +-- pData[contact1]
      |    |
      |    +-- pData[firstname]
      |    +-- pData[lastname]
      |    +-- pData[phone]
      |
      +-- pData[contact2]
           |
           +-- pData[firstname]
           +-- pData[lastname]
           +-- pData[phone]

Would something like that work?
Luke
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Re: [pidget-devel] new bindings

[David W. <dj...@ne...>]

Luke Ehresman wrote:

>Sparty,
>
>You mentioned on the pidget-users list some new ideas you had for how to
>handle bindings.  When you flush out your ideas some more, could you post
>them here?  I've been thinking about the problem too, and would be anxious
>to hear your thoughts on how it would actually be implemented.
>
>Luke
>
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Indeed. We need to be able to retrieve information from widgets after a 
post. Originally databindings were the way you would do this. However, I 
consider them a little bit too complex to be useful in most 
circumstances. What I suggest instead is that we let the developers 
using Pidget specify names for widgets. In order to do this we need to 
be able to handle name conflicts between widgets which contain other 
widgets. For example, supposing we have a widget which represents 
information for a contact in a contact manager application it will most 
likely have multiple text boxes, checkboxes, and select boxes. If we 
place two of these widgets on a page what names will the form elements 
associated with them have? We don't want them to be named identically 
because we will not be able to retrieve the information from them on the 
other side of post if they are. To get around this issue I suggest that 
every widget's form name be dependent on it's parents widget's form 
name. Each form widget will have a method which will allow a parent 
widget to tell it's children what it's name is. In addition there will 
be two method for retrieving names from widgets: one for retrieving the 
form name which will be a combination of the parent's widget's form name 
and the name of the widget itself and another for retrieving the name 
assigned to the widget. What do people think? Is it a worthy idea?

--
David "Spartacus" Whittington

[pidget-devel] new bindings

[Luke E. <leh...@cs...>]

Sparty,

You mentioned on the pidget-users list some new ideas you had for how to
handle bindings.  When you flush out your ideas some more, could you post
them here?  I've been thinking about the problem too, and would be anxiou=
s
to hear your thoughts on how it would actually be implemented.

Luke

[pidget-devel] Welcome

[Luke E. <leh...@cs...>]

This is just a test.
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