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[Phrame-devel] Project Stalled?

[Peter P. <pe...@sm...>]

Hi,

I have been looking for a good framework for developing
PHP-applications, and stumbled on Smarty and from there I got a link to
Phrame. This seems to be a good effort, but from reading the
mailing-list archives I find that a lot of people have made a lot of
improvements and suggestions and bugfixes, but none of these have gone
into the CVS or been included in the project.

Is there any reason that the project Admin is not including these things
in the CVS? Why aren't the people submitting new code included as
developers/admins for the project?  

I would love to use phrame for development but I don't want to have to
browse through a bunch of mailing lists looking for patches and updates
trying to apply the relevant ones myself. I thought the entire reason
for having a project at sourceforge was to allow for several developers
to contribute through CVS? 

I'm not quite sure wherein the problem lies... If the Admin Arnold
doesn't want others to work on the projects, or if others don't want to
(but it seems they do because of the many postings with code that has
been made to this list), or what the reason is for not updating the CVS
and/or creating new releases?

Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this?

Sincerely, Peter.

Re: [Phrame-devel] Project Stalled?

[Arnold C. <arn...@ya...>]

Peter,

You've stumbled onto the problem I am currently trying
to fix. :) I've been out of the country on vacation
the past few weeks and am now back at work. I have
invited Jason and Alex as project developers.
Hopefully, this will help remove the bottleneck (me)
in getting the project into a higher gear.

I'd also like to invite others who are interested in
developing on the Phrame project to become project
developers. I'd also like to hear from web designers
for the Phrame website, editors for documentation,
etc. I've said from the beginning that I'd like Phrame
to be community driven. If you are interested please
contact me!

Arnold

--- Peter Palotas <pe...@sm...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been looking for a good framework for
> developing
> PHP-applications, and stumbled on Smarty and from
> there I got a link to
> Phrame. This seems to be a good effort, but from
> reading the
> mailing-list archives I find that a lot of people
> have made a lot of
> improvements and suggestions and bugfixes, but none
> of these have gone
> into the CVS or been included in the project.
> 
> Is there any reason that the project Admin is not
> including these things
> in the CVS? Why aren't the people submitting new
> code included as
> developers/admins for the project?  
> 
> I would love to use phrame for development but I
> don't want to have to
> browse through a bunch of mailing lists looking for
> patches and updates
> trying to apply the relevant ones myself. I thought
> the entire reason
> for having a project at sourceforge was to allow for
> several developers
> to contribute through CVS? 
> 
> I'm not quite sure wherein the problem lies... If
> the Admin Arnold
> doesn't want others to work on the projects, or if
> others don't want to
> (but it seems they do because of the many postings
> with code that has
> been made to this list), or what the reason is for
> not updating the CVS
> and/or creating new releases?
> 
> Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this?
> 
> Sincerely, Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Phrame-devel] Project Stalled?

[Peter \DeCaf\ P. <de...@al...>]

Arnold,

I'm really glad to hear that you are working on fixing that problem,
because I believe phrame can become a very interesting and useful
project. Well, it already is, but there is always room for improvement
and new ideas everywhere.

I would definately like to contribute to this project in any way that I
can, but as of now I'm not sure in what areas I could, since I have no
previous experience of working with Struts or MVC nor with Phrame. I'm
currently trying out Phrame with Smarty templates trying to learn it.  

I've gotten some small ideas for improvement or new features here and
there but I will need to dig deeper and learn more before I can decide
wether those ideas are good.

As I see it the main problem with phrame as of now is a lack of good
documentation, which unfortunately holds true for very many Open Source
projects. Good documentation is one of the most important parts of any
programming library/framework if it is to be attractive to its intended
audience.  I've struggled quite a bit trying to grasp the concepts and
ideas and understand how to use Phrame and I'm starting to get the hang
of it after reading through Jason's two articles in PHP Architect about
MVC and Phrame.  But still, better documentation and more examples
should be a first priority after fixing any bugs and implementing the
most essential new features that have been posted on this list. This is
in my humble oppinion only ofcourse, since I'm not a member of this
project I'm in no position to decide these things, but take it as a
small suggestion from a newbie to Phrame and MVC who really thinks this
is the solution I've been looking for. 

Writing documentation is something I guess I could have contributed too,
had I had any experience using Phrame and/or MVC before.

So with this explanation I leave it for you to decide wether I might be
able to help out with something, which I'll gladly do if I'm able! Just
let me know.  Otherwise, I'll let you know the moment I feel confident
that I can contribute with something that I see is needed!

Sincerely, 
Peter Palotas.

> Peter,
> 
> You've stumbled onto the problem I am currently trying
> to fix. :) I've been out of the country on vacation
> the past few weeks and am now back at work. I have
> invited Jason and Alex as project developers.
> Hopefully, this will help remove the bottleneck (me)
> in getting the project into a higher gear.
> 
> I'd also like to invite others who are interested in
> developing on the Phrame project to become project
> developers. I'd also like to hear from web designers
> for the Phrame website, editors for documentation,
> etc. I've said from the beginning that I'd like Phrame
> to be community driven. If you are interested please
> contact me!
> 
> Arnold
> 
> --- Peter Palotas <pe...@sm...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have been looking for a good framework for
> > developing
> > PHP-applications, and stumbled on Smarty and from
> > there I got a link to
> > Phrame. This seems to be a good effort, but from
> > reading the
> > mailing-list archives I find that a lot of people
> > have made a lot of
> > improvements and suggestions and bugfixes, but none
> > of these have gone
> > into the CVS or been included in the project.
> > 
> > Is there any reason that the project Admin is not
> > including these things
> > in the CVS? Why aren't the people submitting new
> > code included as
> > developers/admins for the project?
> > 
> > I would love to use phrame for development but I
> > don't want to have to
> > browse through a bunch of mailing lists looking for
> > patches and updates
> > trying to apply the relevant ones myself. I thought
> > the entire reason
> > for having a project at sourceforge was to allow for
> > several developers
> > to contribute through CVS?
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure wherein the problem lies... If
> > the Admin Arnold
> > doesn't want others to work on the projects, or if
> > others don't want to
> > (but it seems they do because of the many postings
> > with code that has
> > been made to this list), or what the reason is for
> > not updating the CVS
> > and/or creating new releases?
> > 
> > Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this?
> > 
> > Sincerely, Peter.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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RE: [Phrame-devel] Project Stalled?

[Mike C. <mi...@bu...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: phr...@li... 
> 
> Writing documentation is something I guess I could have 
> contributed too, had I had any experience using Phrame and/or 
> MVC before.

A Wiki on the Phrame website for users to edit the docs on the fly would
be a great start for user-contributed documentation.

Regards,



Mike C.

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RE: [Phrame-devel] Project Stalled?

[Arnold C. <arn...@ya...>]

A Wiki is a great idea and is a popular request. I
will try to make one available as soon as I can.

Arnold

--- Mike Carter <mi...@bu...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phr...@li... 
> > 
> > Writing documentation is something I guess I could
> have 
> > contributed too, had I had any experience using
> Phrame and/or 
> > MVC before.
> 
> A Wiki on the Phrame website for users to edit the
> docs on the fly would
> be a great start for user-contributed documentation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Mike C.
> 
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