Re: [Phrame-devel] Phrame Heavy & Phrame Lite

[Arnold C. <arn...@ya...>]

--- Scott Lillig <sco...@ho...> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Been away from the project for awhile, but getting
> back into the thick of
> things again. 
> 

Glad to have you back!

> Had some thoughts and wanted to get yours:
>
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> 
> I've noticed a lot of work being done from various
> developers and some
> issues some are having in regards to the term
> "forking" the project.
> 

Alex and I have been in constant contact over his
modifications. As we speak Jason, Alex, and I are
discussing how we can merge the work they have done
into the official version.

> I have seen comments from more advanced programmer
> types (as well as on the
> list) that they would like to see PHRAME adhere more
> to the way of doing
> things like the most popular standard MVC STRUTS so
> that JAVA programmers
> would take more interest and enjoy working in PHP.
> (ex: WEB-INF directory,
> dispatchers, etc.)
> 
> I also have seen comments from more of the designer
> & developer types that
> they liked PHRAME's simplicity and are ecstatic
> about the entry type level
> MVC and that they get more interested to the ideas
> of OOP, reusability and
> frameworks in their development process.
> 

The path we have agreed upon is to keep things simple.
We intend on making the advanced features such as view
dispatchers, loggers, etc modular so that developers
can choose how much functionality they need for their
project.

> As for my own predicament; I am starting a new
> project and want to use
> PHRAME, as I was going through the stable released
> 2.0 version as well as
> looking through all the excellent additions from
> other developers like Jason
> and Alex on their own projects. I found myself
> spending way too much time on
> debating what features and directory structures to
> use and implement from
> the original and forked renditions of PHRAME and
> other ideas from STRUTS
> itself. 
> 
> Then a thought came to mind that at the time of my
> confusion made some sense
> and wanted to pass it onto the group.
> 
> What about...2 types or categories of PHRAME? 
> 
> A more advanced PHRAME (like Arnold, Alex and
> Jason's additions, sorry if I
> left anyone else's efforts out here, just making an
> example) that adheres'
> to the more advanced STRUT's standard, allowing a
> programmer to have a
> choice between 2 great open source languages PHP and
> JAVA and feel more
> comfortable working with both languages, but staying
> in the same train of
> thought of STRUTS.
> 
> And a LITE version of PHRAME which would be
> considered the current stable
> release of PHRAME, allowing designers and developers
> to enjoy learning OOP,
> reusability and frameworks in their design and
> development process or just
> want to apply a simple framework to a simple website
> and not get too far out
> of their designer element trying to comprehend the
> complexity of STRUTS.
> 
> ...of course the Lite version would need to be able
> to scale into the STRUTS
> version if need be.
> 
> Thoughts on names to help get the idea across:
> 
> 	Advanced Version
> 	* PHRAME Struts
> 	* P2EE
> 	* PHRAME PRO
> 	* PHRAME Adv.
> 	* PHRAME MVC Struts
> 	* PHRAME Heavy
> 
> 	Current Released Version
> 	* PHRAME Lite
> 	* P2 Standard
> 	* PHRAME DEV
> 	* PHRAME
> 	* PHRAME MVC Lite
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------Lookin
> g forward to hearing other thoughts, easy on the
> flaming, I may of just had
> a long night staring at a bright screen and wake up
> tomorrow and all of this
> sounds way too out there. ;)
> 
> Cheers!
> 	
> 

As I mentioned above, Phrame will be modular so the
advanced/light versions you mentioned will be
possible. What would be most useful in my opinion
would be documentation, tutorials, examples, etc that
illustrate how it is possible.

> 
> 
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