phpwiki-talk

[Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Charles C. <ch...@ru...>]

There are lots of people discussing the current state of PhpWiki, the features, test coverage and the development process.

Unfortunately, I do not see many positive contributions.
- I do not see many contributors sending in patches.
- I do not see many contributors sending in test results.

How many people have downloaded the 1.3.11-rc/beta and tested it?

Projects like PhpWiki do not progress by people emailing in complaints about process, state or features (unless they are bug
reports). Work gets done by people working on it. Reini has done a huge amount and few others have done even a fraction of that.

OK, now for my positive, but minor contribution. A few days before the RC release I took the latest CVS, tested it locally and then
put it live on my public website http://www.runegate.org/whitewall/wiki

I am aware of two (known) bugs that affect the site:
1: SetAcl does not remember the changes made on the first page (i.e. changes made before clicking "SetAcl") when it displays the
second confirmation page.
2: After Chown, a page displays the old owner at the bottom but when queried through PageInfo or Chown, it shows the correct owner.

I have looked at both of these problems before but have not been able to work out what's happening and so have not been able to
submit patches :-(

Regards,
Charles

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Philip J. H. <ph...@po...>]

Charles, I have to diagree with you somewhat on this.  While I agree
that aimless complaining is generally not very productive, I think  that
in the case of phpwiki the emails are serving a useful purpose: to let
the developers know that there is a user base and we would really love
to see some things happen (like a 1.3.11 release).

The most useful result of this whole discussion (for me) has been the
discovery of the spam fighting features that are being worked on.

I for one have not downloaded and tested the 1.3.11 beta because I
freely admit I haven't had the time to do it.  However, the new spam
protection stuff makes me much more likely to do so.  Hopefully others
on the list have been encouraged by these emails as well.

So having said all that, I do generally agree with you that actions
(i.e. submitting bug reports and fixes) speak louder than words.

P.

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:02:04 +0800, "Charles Corrigan"
<ch...@ru...> said:
> There are lots of people discussing the current state of PhpWiki, the
> features, test coverage and the development process.
> 
> Unfortunately, I do not see many positive contributions.
> - I do not see many contributors sending in patches.
> - I do not see many contributors sending in test results.
> 
> How many people have downloaded the 1.3.11-rc/beta and tested it?
> 
> Projects like PhpWiki do not progress by people emailing in complaints
> about process, state or features (unless they are bug
> reports). Work gets done by people working on it. Reini has done a huge
> amount and few others have done even a fraction of that.
> 
> OK, now for my positive, but minor contribution. A few days before the RC
> release I took the latest CVS, tested it locally and then
> put it live on my public website http://www.runegate.org/whitewall/wiki
> 
> I am aware of two (known) bugs that affect the site:
> 1: SetAcl does not remember the changes made on the first page (i.e.
> changes made before clicking "SetAcl") when it displays the
> second confirmation page.
> 2: After Chown, a page displays the old owner at the bottom but when
> queried through PageInfo or Chown, it shows the correct owner.
> 
> I have looked at both of these problems before but have not been able to
> work out what's happening and so have not been able to
> submit patches :-(
--  
Philip J. Hollenback
ph...@po...
www.hollenback.net

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Manuel V. <man...@st...>]

Hello Charles,

Charles Corrigan wrote:
> There are lots of people discussing the current state of PhpWiki, the features, test coverage and the development process.
> 
> Unfortunately, I do not see many positive contributions.
> - I do not see many contributors sending in patches.
> - I do not see many contributors sending in test results.

I read this list since July 2004 because I integrated phpwiki in a 
"forge" (comparable to GForge).
We choose PhpWiki against MediaWiki for many reasons (modular design, 
syntax, ...) and after 4 month in production we are very happy with our 
initial choice: it works _really_ fine.
I make few patch in phpwiki code (mainly on database backend) and I 
contributed to CreateToc plugin but my patch was not integrated.

> How many people have downloaded the 1.3.11-rc/beta and tested it?

I haven't downloaded 1.3.11 beta because I don't have CVS access and I 
currently don't have many time for this job.

Again, we founded phpwiki very easy to adapt to our environnement.
Next developments planned are:
* migration to 1.3.11 (stable !!)
* clean our source code
* contribute to Gforge PhpWiki plugin

My 2 cents,
Manuel

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Stefan <son...@ba...>]

Hello Manuel,

i use your TocPlugin and it works much better than the CVS Version. 
Thanks for that.

I've tried nearly every cvs version since 1.3.x and had a lot of 
problems with newer versions to get them run again. I told some time 
before there should be a stop with new features until the old features 
do work at all. We do have plugins over plugins but on every end 
something did'nt work.  I'am always looking for workarrounds to do the 
things my users need. Now i use 1.3.10 and some plugins from 1.3.11 some 
handmade changes etc. not really a version out of the box :-)

But i have to say i've tried some other wikis also and phpwiki is fast 
and it works. You can make changes you like (if you understand the code) 
and now it's the system of my choice. Thx to the devoloppers for the 
time they spend to make it work ...

Our wiki now has about 11.000 Pages with a lot of tables, pictures etc. 
and no other wiki made it possible like phpwiki do.

here are some page examples:
http://www.mineralienatlas.de/phpwiki/index.php/Elemente
http://www.mineralienatlas.de/phpwiki/index.php/Achat
http://www.mineralienatlas.de/phpwiki/index.php/Uranocircit

i like this wiki!

Regards Stefan

Manuel VACELET schrieb:

> Hello Charles,
>
> Charles Corrigan wrote:
>
>> There are lots of people discussing the current state of PhpWiki, the 
>> features, test coverage and the development process.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I do not see many positive contributions.
>> - I do not see many contributors sending in patches.
>> - I do not see many contributors sending in test results.
>
>
> I read this list since July 2004 because I integrated phpwiki in a 
> "forge" (comparable to GForge).
> We choose PhpWiki against MediaWiki for many reasons (modular design, 
> syntax, ...) and after 4 month in production we are very happy with 
> our initial choice: it works _really_ fine.
> I make few patch in phpwiki code (mainly on database backend) and I 
> contributed to CreateToc plugin but my patch was not integrated.
>
>> How many people have downloaded the 1.3.11-rc/beta and tested it?
>
>
> I haven't downloaded 1.3.11 beta because I don't have CVS access and I 
> currently don't have many time for this job.
>
> Again, we founded phpwiki very easy to adapt to our environnement.
> Next developments planned are:
> * migration to 1.3.11 (stable !!)
> * clean our source code
> * contribute to Gforge PhpWiki plugin
>
> My 2 cents,
> Manuel
>

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Manuel V. <man...@st...>]

Manuel VACELET wrote:
> I haven't downloaded 1.3.11 beta because I don't have CVS access and I 
> currently don't have many time for this job.

Charles said to me in private that coresponding tarball is available in 
File Releases on Sf.
I only read phpwiki HomePage (where each release are announced), it 
could be a good idea to add a link on this page isn't it ?

manuel

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

> Manuel VACELET wrote:
>> I haven't downloaded 1.3.11 beta because I don't have CVS access
>> and I  currently don't have many time for this job.
>
> Charles said to me in private that coresponding tarball is available in
> File Releases on Sf.
> I only read phpwiki HomePage (where each release are announced), it
> could be a good idea to add a link on this page isn't it ?

RC1 is only for developers,
to gather some constructive feedback about remaining issues.

But since it's officially published via the sf.net release system,
the link is be automatically there.

http://sf.net/projects/phpwiki/
=>
PhpWiki 1.3 (current) phpwiki-1.3.11_rc1 March 27, 2005  -   Download
-- 
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/   http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

[Phpwiki-talk] Release Candiidate 2 (almost)

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Reini Urban schrieb:
>>Manuel VACELET wrote:
>>>I haven't downloaded 1.3.11 beta because I don't have CVS access
>>>and I  currently don't have many time for this job.
>>
>>Charles said to me in private that coresponding tarball is available in
>>File Releases on Sf.
>>I only read phpwiki HomePage (where each release are announced), it
>>could be a good idea to add a link on this page isn't it ?
> 
> RC1 is only for developers,
> to gather some constructive feedback about remaining issues.
> 
> But since it's officially published via the sf.net release system,
> the link is be automatically there.
> 
> http://sf.net/projects/phpwiki/
> =>
> PhpWiki 1.3 (current) phpwiki-1.3.11_rc1 March 27, 2005  -   Download

rc2 is ready but upload.sf.net has issues not taking my upload.
See 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1174903&group_id=1&atid=200001
I'll wait until tommorrow morning. (That's today night for the US folks :)

The problem is that a broken upload forbids uploading again with the 
same filename until the upload is deleted manually (a release) or 
automatically (some cron job).

This should be the release notes.

Changes since 1.3.11_rc1:
* fixed mysql unicode-latin1 issues (> 4.1)
* fixed several WikiAdminRename issues,
   added the icase and regex feature.
   subpage problem not yet found.
* fixed rename with dba
* fixed diff printing &nbsp; before <HTML>
* fixed RecentCanges plugins defaults
   (e.g. PageHistory with unknown pagename)

-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban
http://phpwiki.org

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Release Candiidate 2 (almost)

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Reini Urban schrieb:
> Reini Urban schrieb:
> rc2 is ready but upload.sf.net has issues not taking my upload.
> See 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1174903&group_id=1&atid=200001 

This is solved. rc2 is out.

The pending 1.2.8 release from the old-stable branch from
January 30, 2005 is also out now.

> I'll wait until tommorrow morning. (That's today night for the US folks :)
> 
> The problem is that a broken upload forbids uploading again with the 
> same filename until the upload is deleted manually (a release) or 
> automatically (some cron job).
> 
> This should be the release notes.
> 
> Changes since 1.3.11_rc1:
> * fixed mysql unicode-latin1 issues (> 4.1)
> * fixed several WikiAdminRename issues,
>   added the icase and regex feature.
>   subpage problem not yet found.
> * fixed rename with dba
> * fixed diff printing &nbsp; before <HTML>
> * fixed RecentCanges plugins defaults
>   (e.g. PageHistory with unknown pagename)
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban
http://phpwiki.org

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PhpWiki process

[Dan F. <dfr...@cs...>]

Charles Corrigan wrote:

>There are lots of people discussing the current state of PhpWiki, the features, test coverage and the development process.
>
>Unfortunately, I do not see many positive contributions.
>- I do not see many contributors sending in patches.
>- I do not see many contributors sending in test results.
>
>How many people have downloaded the 1.3.11-rc/beta and tested it?
>
>Projects like PhpWiki do not progress by people emailing in complaints about process, state or features (unless they are bug
>reports). Work gets done by people working on it. Reini has done a huge amount and few others have done even a fraction of that.
>  
>

I agree completely. Reini has done a great job, and is doing the 
majority of work by FAR.

I even have CVS access. The first thing I'd do is go and rip out as much 
code as I could! Most of the back-ends, half the user authentication 
options. Whatever things people email the list with questions about all 
the time. Doing a few things well is much more important than doing a 
lot of things.

However, I don't think Reini wants me to do that, and I certainly don't 
want to ruin his project. Thus, since I disagree fundamentally on the 
goals of PhpWiki, I am not motivated to contribute. I don't want to fix 
bugs in the tons of features, because I think their very number 
guarantees more bugs in future, and the project will get weaker and 
weaker and fade away.

Thus, I sit back and "complain", hoping the style will change to one I 
can more enthusiastically support and work on.

Dan