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[Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

just detected this, using google suggest:
     http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en

"RFE - Form Autocompletion"
http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004/12/google-suggest-dissected.html

We'd need a new xml-rpc function to return simple queries in
javascript src: titlesearch, username, plugins, categories, and such.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Dan F. <dfr...@cs...>]

Reini Urban wrote:

> just detected this, using google suggest:
>     http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en
>
> "RFE - Form Autocompletion"
> http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004/12/google-suggest-dissected.html
>
> We'd need a new xml-rpc function to return simple queries in
> javascript src: titlesearch, username, plugins, categories, and such.


This would be awesome.

We have started to use auto-complete textboxes in a couple places in the 
as-yet-unreleased MoonBadger version of WikiLens. (The code is done, but 
our machine is hacked and down until next week or later.) One spot is to 
add buddies (auto-complete username); another spot is to add pages to a 
list (auto-complete lists you own, auto-complete any pagename to add to 
a list). These boxes currently work by generating the complete list 
server-side and embedding it in the page for the Javascript to use (!!). 
Obviously, this does not scale as the number of users or pages grows 
very large.

By the way, I looked around for auto-complete textboxes, and found 2 I like:

1. http://codeproject.com/jscript/jsactb.asp
Pros:
  + I know it and like it
  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
Cons:
  + Inappropriate license for a GPL project. (It uses creative commons 
license, which isn't even for software.)
  + Only uses a local list in Javascript, not server-side.
  + Some quirks, like when you click away from it, it doesn't go away.

2. http://momche.net/publish/article.php?page=acdropdown
Pros:
  + Looks fully featured
    - has both local and remote modes
    - drops down with a scrollbox, which acts more the way people would 
expect-- scrollbar, vanishes when you click away
  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
Cons:
  + I've never actually used it
  + No license at present. I'm trying to convince the author to release 
it under a GPL-compatible license (see 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses). 
Check it out, email the author to choose a GPL-compatible license, so 
PhpWiki can use it!

Also, I guess there's a 3. I wrote my own that's in MoonBadger. The 
advantage is that I got to skip all the confusing licensing issues. The 
disadvantage is that it is not nearly as fully-featured. I really see it 
as a placeholder until a better GPL solution comes along.

Dan

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Dan Frankowski schrieb:
> Reini Urban wrote:
>> just detected this, using google suggest:
>>     http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en
>>
>> "RFE - Form Autocompletion"
>> http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004/12/google-suggest-dissected.html
>>
>> We'd need a new xml-rpc function to return simple queries in
>> javascript src: titlesearch, username, plugins, categories, and such.
> 
> 
> This would be awesome.
> 
> We have started to use auto-complete textboxes in a couple places in the 
> as-yet-unreleased MoonBadger version of WikiLens. (The code is done, but 
> our machine is hacked and down until next week or later.) One spot is to 
> add buddies (auto-complete username); another spot is to add pages to a 
> list (auto-complete lists you own, auto-complete any pagename to add to 
> a list). These boxes currently work by generating the complete list 
> server-side and embedding it in the page for the Javascript to use (!!). 
> Obviously, this does not scale as the number of users or pages grows 
> very large.
> 
> By the way, I looked around for auto-complete textboxes, and found 2 I 
> like:
> 
> 1. http://codeproject.com/jscript/jsactb.asp
> Pros:
>  + I know it and like it
>  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
> Cons:
>  + Inappropriate license for a GPL project. (It uses creative commons 
> license, which isn't even for software.)
>  + Only uses a local list in Javascript, not server-side.
>  + Some quirks, like when you click away from it, it doesn't go away.
> 
> 2. http://momche.net/publish/article.php?page=acdropdown
> Pros:
>  + Looks fully featured
>    - has both local and remote modes
>    - drops down with a scrollbox, which acts more the way people would 
> expect-- scrollbar, vanishes when you click away
>  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
> Cons:
>  + I've never actually used it
>  + No license at present. I'm trying to convince the author to release 
> it under a GPL-compatible license (see 
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses). 
> Check it out, email the author to choose a GPL-compatible license, so 
> PhpWiki can use it!
> 
> Also, I guess there's a 3. I wrote my own that's in MoonBadger. The 
> advantage is that I got to skip all the confusing licensing issues. The 
> disadvantage is that it is not nearly as fully-featured. I really see it 
> as a placeholder until a better GPL solution comes along.

There's another simple one, without scrolldown as with google, but looks 
and works ok. Apache license.

http://blog.bitflux.ch/wiki/LiveSearch

Not supported:
     * Konqueror
     * Opera
     * Internet Explorer 5.2.3 (Mac)

http://the.taoofmac.com/ uses it also.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Discussion moved to http://phpwiki.org/AutoCompletion

I'm still waiting for Mircho's answer, but I believe it will work out.
Dan, could you please add a chapter there about your Moonbadger code?
wikilens.org seems to be down very often now, so I couldn't have a look yet.

For the meantime I supported the simple livesearch feature from
http://blog.bitflux.ch/wiki/LiveSearch
to test performance.
The js has to be downloaded seperately (Apache license)


Reini Urban schrieb:
> Dan Frankowski schrieb:
>>> "RFE - Form Autocompletion"
>>> http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004/12/google-suggest-dissected.html
>> 1. http://codeproject.com/jscript/jsactb.asp
>> Pros:
>>  + I know it and like it
>>  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
>> Cons:
>>  + Inappropriate license for a GPL project. (It uses creative commons 
>> license, which isn't even for software.)
>>  + Only uses a local list in Javascript, not server-side.
>>  + Some quirks, like when you click away from it, it doesn't go away.
>>
>> 2. http://momche.net/publish/article.php?page=acdropdown
>> Pros:
>>  + Looks fully featured
>>    - has both local and remote modes
>>    - drops down with a scrollbox, which acts more the way people would 
>> expect-- scrollbar, vanishes when you click away
>>  + Friendly author ("Use it however you like!")
>> Cons:
>>  + I've never actually used it
>>  + No license at present. I'm trying to convince the author to release 
>> it under a GPL-compatible license (see 
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses). 
>> Check it out, email the author to choose a GPL-compatible license, so 
>> PhpWiki can use it!
 >>
 >> There's another simple one, without scrolldown as with google, but 
looks
> and works ok. Apache license.
> http://blog.bitflux.ch/wiki/LiveSearch
> 
> Not supported:
>     * Konqueror
>     * Opera
>     * Internet Explorer 5.2.3 (Mac)
> 
> http://the.taoofmac.com/ uses it also.


-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Dan F. <dfr...@cs...>]

Reini Urban wrote:

> Discussion moved to http://phpwiki.org/AutoCompletion
>
> I'm still waiting for Mircho's answer, but I believe it will work out.
> Dan, could you please add a chapter there about your Moonbadger code?
> wikilens.org seems to be down very often now, so I couldn't have a 
> look yet.


I added a small section on wikilens code. I apologize for wikilens 
downtime! It was down from Jan. 10 - Feb. 2 because our machine was 
hacked. It is back up (yay!). It still needs a little work because the 
machine has been completely reinstalled, and there are bits and pieces 
missing or with inappropriate versions.

I also asked Mircho about adopting a GPL-compatible license. He said, 
"It's public domain! Go ahead and use it!" However, the package doesn't 
have anything *saying* it's in public domain. I'd feel more comfortable 
if it explicitly declared some GPL-compatible license.

Dan

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Dan Frankowski schrieb:
> I added a small section on wikilens code. I apologize for wikilens 
> downtime! It was down from Jan. 10 - Feb. 2 because our machine was 
> hacked. It is back up (yay!). It still needs a little work because the 
> machine has been completely reinstalled, and there are bits and pieces 
> missing or with inappropriate versions.

Good to have it online again!

> I also asked Mircho about adopting a GPL-compatible license. He said, 
> "It's public domain! Go ahead and use it!" 

Good news!

> However, the package doesn't 
> have anything *saying* it's in public domain. I'd feel more comfortable 
> if it explicitly declared some GPL-compatible license.

So should we just write his email into the header? :)

Anyway, his code will need some work to improve performance
for the remote access. But it's the best so far I've seen.
So he will probably be bought out by Google, so that his website will go 
down also.
(As mozdev.org apparently did recently.
Or is it really only the denial of service attack?
Or is some reaction to the recent buzilla vandalism?
Or just google's buyout?)

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:B7q9RqGxAI8J:www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html%3Farticle%3D5960+what+happened+to+mozdev+2005&hl=de
http://gemal.dk/blog/2005/01/25/bugzilla_attack_on_bugzillamozdevorg/
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] RFE - form autocompletion

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Dan Frankowski schrieb:
> I also asked Mircho about adopting a GPL-compatible license. He said, 
> "It's public domain! Go ahead and use it!" However, the package doesn't 
> have anything *saying* it's in public domain. I'd feel more comfortable 
> if it explicitly declared some GPL-compatible license.

Ok. I just received confirmation that he will license specially for us a 
GPL version, which we'll put into our cvs.
(And probably remove LiveSearch)
-- 
Reini Urban