phpwiki-talk

RE : [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status

[<jw...@fi...>]

Hello again,

Are there any of the original phpwiki developers still on this list ?

It would be interesting to hear from them in order to better understand the
status of the project and where they see it going within the next months.

Thank you for your time and insights

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status

[Norberto M. <nu...@me...>]

Been there, done that (contacted wainstead via his @sourceforge email), 
zilch  reply.

We all try again for another week, (maybe he/she's on holidays? ) and 
then, if we get no reply, we fork. I don't particularly like spawns 
projects all over the place, but we do need to keep working on the code.

I'll contact a couple of people from the ones that have commited code to 
see what's going on.

Regards,
Norberto Meijome

"The only people that never change are the stupid and the dead", Jorge 
Luis Borges.


>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:Ken...@Go...] 
>>Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 3:06 AM
>>To: php...@li...
>>Subject: Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status
>>
>>
>>Rui Carmo wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>After a year or so of puttering around with the sources 
>>>      
>>>
>>(and yes, I've
>>    
>>
>>>compared mine with the current CVS a couple of months 
>>>      
>>>
>>back), I've come 
>>    
>>
>>>to the conclusion that PhpWiki is stalled. The existing 
>>>      
>>>
>>code base has an 
>>    
>>
>>>excellent structure (it's well designed, even if somewhat 
>>>      
>>>
>>obscure at 
>>    
>>
>>>times due to the amount of abstraction used), but bits of 
>>>      
>>>
>>it (like the 
>>    
>>
>>>block parser and the database layer) seem like they should 
>>>      
>>>
>>have evolved 
>>    
>>
>>>further and were frozen while people waited for further redesign.
>>>      
>>>
>>well, it seems unclear whether there's any activity in the 
>>way of patches, or even anyone around to commit them on 
>>behalf of submitters. sometimes people make better progress 
>>on things like this if they have a greater investment.  
>>sometimes not. :-)
>>
>>whatever, i think *i* would, so i see no harm in asking the 
>>powers that be on this project for commit access.  if they 
>>say no, i'm no worse off; if they say yes, i could 
>>conceivably be better off.
>>
>>always assuming that the project admins are on this list. :-)
>>-- 
>>#ken	P-)}
>>
>>Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Golux.Com/coar/
>>Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>
>>"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>
>>
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status

[Carsten K. <car...@ya...>]

Hi All,

I'm still catching up on the PhpWiki mailing list from the last few 
months so bear with me. I will look at the current submitted patches 
over the upcoming week.

Fortunately I have more time now (and some new recent inspiration (: ) 
to work on PhpWiki, and there are a few people who will be helping me 
to update the German localizations. I haven't been in contact with the 
other developers for a while so I can't say anything about their 
personal schedules at the moment.

I hope to clean up a few items to get ready for a 1.3.5 release, but I 
don't know yet whether I can do actual SourceForge file releases 
without Steve Wainstead (who usually handles it). Anyway, I'll commit 
whatever updates I can to CVS so at least they will be more readily 
available to everyone.

(The project manager Steve Wainstead must be away on vacation, he is 
probably somewhere diving underwater or whatnot.)

:)
Cheers,
Carsten

On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 07:34  pm, Norberto Meijome wrote:

> Been there, done that (contacted wainstead via his @sourceforge 
> email), zilch  reply.
>
> We all try again for another week, (maybe he/she's on holidays? ) and 
> then, if we get no reply, we fork. I don't particularly like spawns 
> projects all over the place, but we do need to keep working on the 
> code.
>
> I'll contact a couple of people from the ones that have commited code 
> to see what's going on.
>
> Regards,
> Norberto Meijome
>
> "The only people that never change are the stupid and the dead", Jorge 
> Luis Borges.
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:Ken...@Go...] Sent: 
>>> Monday, 20 October 2003 3:06 AM
>>> To: php...@li...
>>> Subject: Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui Carmo wrote:
>>>
>>>> After a year or so of puttering around with the sources
>>> (and yes, I've
>>>
>>>> compared mine with the current CVS a couple of months
>>> back), I've come
>>>> to the conclusion that PhpWiki is stalled. The existing
>>> code base has an
>>>> excellent structure (it's well designed, even if somewhat
>>> obscure at
>>>> times due to the amount of abstraction used), but bits of
>>> it (like the
>>>> block parser and the database layer) seem like they should
>>> have evolved
>>>> further and were frozen while people waited for further redesign.
>>>>
>>> well, it seems unclear whether there's any activity in the way of 
>>> patches, or even anyone around to commit them on behalf of 
>>> submitters. sometimes people make better progress on things like 
>>> this if they have a greater investment.  sometimes not. :-)
>>>
>>> whatever, i think *i* would, so i see no harm in asking the powers 
>>> that be on this project for commit access.  if they say no, i'm no 
>>> worse off; if they say yes, i could conceivably be better off.
>>>
>>> always assuming that the project admins are on this list. :-)
>>> -- 
>>> #ken	P-)}
>>>
>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Golux.Com/coar/
>>> Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>
>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status

[Rui C. <rui...@ac...>]

Norberto Meijome wrote:

> Been there, done that (contacted wainstead via his @sourceforge 
> email), zilch  reply.
>
> We all try again for another week, (maybe he/she's on holidays? ) and 
> then, if we get no reply, we fork. 


I'm in. I've even kept a feature list (and a name suggestion) from the 
days when I thought I might have time to do my own wiki with a colleague:

http://the.taoofmac.com/space/LiveWiki

(bit muddled, I know. I'll straighten it out)

I have only one demand: Clean CSS-based themes from the outset, without 
those funky yellow tones. Heck, I'll code those :)

Oh, and SQL-based uploaded file storage. :)

R.

http://the.taoofmac.com

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki status

[Arnaud F. <ar...@cr...>]

Le lun 20/10/2003 =E0 01:34, Norberto Meijome a =E9crit :
> Been there, done that (contacted wainstead via his @sourceforge email),=20
> zilch  reply.
>=20

If some of you speak french, you can head to my wiki :
http://wiki.crao.net

We have written a lot of stuff about universal wiki syntax and some
other stuff (like a rss feed reader plugin).

My web designer and I also wrote some "skins/themes" for phpwiki.

The one on CraoWiki is quite old now ... but we have a new one running
on http://autrans.crao.net/ and the next CraoWiki theme is on
http://nwiki.crao.net/ for testing.

After writing 6 different themes ... I just miss the good Smarty
Template engine !! But well ... maybe it's not a priority :)

I can (with a neutral logo) add them to the PhpWiki tree along with my
RssFeed plugin.

I also run some private wikis protected by the external http
authentification. I wrote a little hack to get this external auth
working with PhpWiki ... not perfect but works.

I'm also working on the XmlRpc side to add remote page modification and
creation.

Oh ... btw, CraoWiki has more than 2800 pages, about 200 contributors
(normal non geek ppl) and more than 26000 visits a month (more than
16000 visitors). So its a nice real life benchmark for PhpWiki :)

Last time I tried to overload it using ab (with 100 concurrent users and
100 requests per users), it was able to deliver 7+ requests per second
(no cache at all, MySQL and GDBM as backend on a dual PIII 1ghz and 1.5
GB of Ram).

We need to dig into the code for some optimization ... 7 request per
second is not much ...

Well ... It time to move this great project ahead.
--=20
Arnaud Fontaine
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