phpwiki-talk

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Hi,
>
>there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.
>
>Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?
>
>Greetings, Thomas

Hi Thomas,

Yes, that's a good idea.

Steve, can we put the alpha-wiki up on phpwiki.sourceforge.net?
I'll volunteer to maintain it (if that's possible).  Failing that,
I can set one up at www.dairiki.org, but that will be a bit of a pain
since that host doesn't have PHP4 yet.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Can do, probably tonight since I have no plans. 

In the interim there's I just put one up

  http://www.dairiki.org/cgi-bin/alpha-wiki.cgi/FrontPage

It's not ideal, since my web provider is not the greatest.
But it was a good exercise --- it broke a lot of my new auto-configuration
heuristics --- so now I'll have to figure out how to fix them.

I was going to publicize the admin user and password so you could play
with that (after disabling dumpserial and loadfile, that is), but
just discovered that the HTTP authentication stuff only works
if PHP is running as an apache module.  (So much for using cgiwrappers
to hide the admin password --- that'll hide it all right, but you
won't be able to use it!)

I think (as almost everybody else does) we're going to have to
move to using our own login form, rather the HTTP authentication.
The HTTP authentication is just not meant to be used like we're
using it.

When you get a demo wiki running at sourceforge, I'll probably get
rid of this one.  Though it would sort of be neat to have one which
gets auto-synced to the CVS nightly or something.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

What about removing %%Search%% and %%Fullsearch%% sooner or later?
The new MacigPhpWikiURLs are functionally equivalent and even better.

  [ Title Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchterm=() ] 
  [ Full Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchtype=full&searchterm=() ] 
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

In message <3A8...@x-...>,Reini Urban writes:
>What about removing %%Search%% and %%Fullsearch%% sooner or later?
>The new MacigPhpWikiURLs are functionally equivalent and even better.
>
>  [ Title Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchterm=() ] 
>  [ Full Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchtype=full&searchterm=() ] 

Yes, I think that's a good plan eventually.

Note that while I like the idea of the magic phpwiki:, I don't
really like the grammar I implemented, and would appreciate
suggestions for improvements.

Pros:
  Very flexible.   Can embed all sort of links/forms for
  administrative actions without having a special token
  (like %%Search%%) for everything one might want to do.

Cons:
  The syntax is a bit confusing.  (Not a huge con,
  since the average user, or even average admin never has to 
  write any of these links.)

  Not flexible enough.
  As an example: on the UserPreferences page,
  it would be nice to have a form with two input fields
  (edit area height and width).  It would also be nice to
  set the default values for these inputs to the users
  current settings.  Can't do that with the current syntax.
  (Now there's two seperate forms --- one for height, one
  for width --- and no (or constant) default values.)
  Tokens like %%EDIT_WIDTH%% would solve this (the default value)
  problem, but then, we wanted to get away from tokens.
  Or did we?

  Another example: how to exand/modify the syntax to allow
  for image buttons, etc... as Reini has requested?

Another consideration is that it would be nice to be able to
(easily) generate these sorts of links in the template files.

For example, one might like to put a search form somewhere in
the browse template --- it would be convenient not to have to enter
the entire form by hand.

Also, it would eliminate a lot of the template tokens we have now.
E.g. it would be nice to be able to say someting like
  %%%[Edit this page|phpwiki:?action=edit]%%% 
rather than
  <a class="wikiaction" href="###ACTION###edit">Edit this page</a>
Or 
  See %%%[phpwiki:UserPreferences]%%% .
rather than
  See <a class="wikilink" href="###BROWSE###UserPreferences"><span 
class="wikiword">UserPreferences</span></a>.

Perhaps we could introduce a way to delimit text in the templates
which should be run through transform.php?  e.g:
  {{{See UserPreferences.}}}


(The option to use PATH_INFO or not has made the task of
generating URLs in the templates much more complicated than
it used to be.   This is compounded by all the class= args
added for CSS support.)


While we're on the subject of templates, I think it would
be nice to implement some sort of "loop" construct in
the templates.

In the not too distant future (once we move to multiple saved 
versions) were going to have to generate more tables (and
more complicated tables) than we are now.

I think that it would be nice to get the table layout
into the template files, rather than being hard-coded into the
php code.
 

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Can do, probably tonight since I have no plans. 

~swain

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> >Hi,
> >
> >there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.
> >
> >Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?
> >
> >Greetings, Thomas
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Yes, that's a good idea.
> 
> Steve, can we put the alpha-wiki up on phpwiki.sourceforge.net?
> I'll volunteer to maintain it (if that's possible).  Failing that,
> I can set one up at www.dairiki.org, but that will be a bit of a pain
> since that host doesn't have PHP4 yet.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
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