phpwiki-talk

[Phpwiki-talk] Tables and plugins...

[John C. <joh...@ua...>]

Hello,

  Our front page has a calendar plugin at the very top.  One thing that I
would really like to do to fill in some of the whitespace at the top of this
page is to put a calendarlist beside the calendar.

  With the latest versions, I can now do this with the following:

<?plugin Calendar ?> |
  <?plugin CalendarList ?>

  One problem with this is that the first column of a table has every cell
bolded.  I would like to have the calendar render normally without each sub
cell bolded :-)

  I tried the OldStyleTable plugin, but it doesn't allow sub plugins, like
so:

<?plugin OldStyleTable caption="Calender & List" border||=2
|<?plugin Calendar ?> | <?plugin CalendarList ?>
?>

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

John Cole

  

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[Phpwiki-talk] mind mapping tool

[Jerome W. <jer...@la...>]

Hello,

I just found this open source mind mapping tool. I thought I'd let you gu=
ys
know about it since it is very wiki like in its concept.
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/

the gui is pretty interesting and their storage format is XML.

maybe there is something to do with it and phpwiki..

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] mind mapping tool

[Jim C. <ji...@in...>]

One of freemind's drawbacks in a collaborative environment is the lack=20=

of multi-user editing. It's reasonably easy to serve a read-only copy=20
of a freemind map out from a webserver with it's java applet=20
incarnation, and that can be quite useful, but there is no ability to=20
submit changes over this interface, either.

So we end up with a datafile that can only be written to by one person,=20=

on a local file system.

Here's hoping that Apple's release of Rendezvous, a set of services on=20=

top of ZeroConf, might lead to SubEthaEdit being available=20
cross-platform?

On Jul 10, 2004, at 6:12 AM, Jerome WAGNER wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just found this open source mind mapping tool. I thought I'd let you=20=

> guys
> know about it since it is very wiki like in its concept.
> http://freemind.sourceforge.net/
>
> the gui is pretty interesting and their storage format is XML.
>
> maybe there is something to do with it and phpwiki..
>
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] mind mapping tool

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Jim Cheetham schrieb:
> One of freemind's drawbacks in a collaborative environment is the lack 
> of multi-user editing. It's reasonably easy to serve a read-only copy of 
> a freemind map out from a webserver with it's java applet incarnation, 
> and that can be quite useful, but there is no ability to submit changes 
> over this interface, either.
> 
> So we end up with a datafile that can only be written to by one person, 
> on a local file system.

What I can think of, is using such a kind of dynamic UI for PhpWiki (as 
plugin) just for visualisation of links, similar to the static
VisualWiki plugin.

I saw this kind of UI often before (invented by Xerox Parc in the early 
90's, if I remember correctly), but now a lot of apps use this java 
library. I saw it for lisp also.

The 3D version is also fine, similar to VRML.
In the 90's the only drawback was the lack of strong graphic cards, so 
it was only an option for the Silicon Graphics machines. Now every 
vanilla desktop PC can render this fast enough. (VRML still not though, 
but that's not a technical problem)

PS: I strongly dislike the names "mindmap" and "freemind". It's too 
esoteric, anti-rational.

> Here's hoping that Apple's release of Rendezvous, a set of services on 
> top of ZeroConf, might lead to SubEthaEdit being available cross-platform?
> 
> On Jul 10, 2004, at 6:12 AM, Jerome WAGNER wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just found this open source mind mapping tool. I thought I'd let you 
>> guys
>> know about it since it is very wiki like in its concept.
>> http://freemind.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> the gui is pretty interesting and their storage format is XML.
>>
>> maybe there is something to do with it and phpwiki..
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] mind mapping tool

[Whit B. <wh...@tr...>]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 11:06:37AM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:

> PS: I strongly dislike the names "mindmap" and "freemind". It's too 
> esoteric, anti-rational.

Me, I like the names better than the products. For "freemind," look at John
Searle's _Rationality in Action_ - his argument is that what is rational in
ourselves is precisely where we are free, that compelled action (for
example, addiction) is neither free nor rational. For "mindmap," there's a
great deal of recent research in the importance of spacial thinking and
mapping for human reason, for example see Stephen C. Levinson's _Space in
Language and Cognition_ or Gilles Fauconnier's _Mappings in Thought and
Language_.

So the names are good - justified by current cutting-edge research in
linguistics and philosophy. Where I'd take issue is with the products.
Freemind for instance is just a visualization of heirarchy; and much of the
value in spatial conceptualization doesn't fit with heirarchical
categorization (see, on this, George Lakoff's _Women, Fire and Dangerous
Things_). These programs are aids to visuo-spatial thinking, but only the
narrow aspect of it that shoehorns into their schemes, which are often
ill-fitting to reality (as the examples given with freemind show, it seems
to me). A wiki, being more freeform, is more open to representing at least
implicitly the sort of spatial relations within and among concepts that are
being increasingly revealed as crucial aspects of human cognition.

Excuse the digression here, but the wiki I'm putting together will be to
serve the field of consciousness studies, so looking at why a wiki in
particular - or something else - can serve this well is important to me. I
much like, Reini, your idea of adding structural views to PhpWiki at some
point down the road, but suggest the heirarchical abstract of the structure
may not be the most useful or revealing instance of these to bring out.

Whit

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] mind mapping tool

[Bob A. <apt...@cy...>]

Hi,

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:13:27 -0400 Whit Blauvelt <wh...@tr...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 11:06:37AM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
> > PS: I strongly dislike the names "mindmap" and "freemind". It's too 
> > esoteric, anti-rational.
> 
> Me, I like the names better than the products.[...]

The name "mind map" has a historical basis; see Tony Buzan's site
http://www.mind-map.com/ (this is aimed more at Reini than at Whit...)

> So the names are good - justified by current cutting-edge research in
> linguistics and philosophy. Where I'd take issue is with the products.
> Freemind for instance is just a visualization of heirarchy; and much of the
> value in spatial conceptualization doesn't fit with heirarchical
> categorization (see, on this, George Lakoff's _Women, Fire and Dangerous
> Things_). These programs are aids to visuo-spatial thinking, but only the
> narrow aspect of it that shoehorns into their schemes, which are often
> ill-fitting to reality (as the examples given with freemind show, it seems
> to me).

The freemind developers have the honesty to note that they only
implement a subset of Buzan's original vision which is more colorful,
more organic, less hierarchal, and more a graph than a tree, etc.
Freemind only allows labelling nodes, not edges and mostly a simple tree
editor, but I find it completely usable, especially since it works well
under both linux and Win32. I do lament that it's only single-user and
can only be used read-only over the net, but it started life as a
desktop Java application so it's not too surprising. Given I haven't
contributed code or cash to the project, I'm not willing to criticize it
too much. It does its job pretty well.

> A wiki, being more freeform, is more open to representing at least
> implicitly the sort of spatial relations within and among concepts that are
> being increasingly revealed as crucial aspects of human cognition.

I find both to be very useful, freemind for quickly summarizing a
structure and graphically displaying salient points, and phpwiki for
elaborating and relating ideas. One shortcoming of a strictly hierarchal
approach (freemind) is that I can't have multiple nodes refer to a
common structure.

> Excuse the digression here, but the wiki I'm putting together will be to
> serve the field of consciousness studies, so looking at why a wiki in
> particular - or something else - can serve this well is important to me. I
> much like, Reini, your idea of adding structural views to PhpWiki at some
> point down the road, but suggest the heirarchical abstract of the structure
> may not be the most useful or revealing instance of these to bring out.

Agreed.

-- Bob