phpwiki-talk

[Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Martyn D. <ma...@dr...>]

Hi,

I'm attempting to install phpwiki-1.33 into the root directory of my virtual
web server (which is running Apache 1.3.27).  Note that it is the root
directory and not some kind of /wiki or /phpwiki derivative.  The problem is
that the themes are not being picked up.  There are broken images and no
background image is displayed.  However, the Wiki appears to be fine in all
other respects.  Installing phpwiki-1.33 into a subdirectory from the web
server's root, all themes and images work fine.

Is there anything that can be done to ensure that the theme funtionality
works within the server's root directory as well as whatever subdirectory
that is chosen?  I'd ideally like to use my Wiki as the frontend to my web
site.

Many thanks,

	Martyn

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

> I'm attempting to install phpwiki-1.33 into the root directory of my
> virtual web server (which is running Apache 1.3.27).  Note that it is
> the root directory and not some kind of /wiki or /phpwiki derivative.

I think I remember hearing some reports of some people being at least
partially successful doing that, but I'd recommend against it.

Where PhpWiki is installed (assuming USE_PATHINFO is on), it takes
over the entire URL-space.   If you install PhpWiki under /wiki, every
URL beginning with /wiki is a wiki page (or operation on one).
If you install PhpWiki under /, then every URL on your
host refers to a wiki page.  There's no place left
(without hackage) to put style sheets, icons, or anything
else that's not a wiki page.  (A request for /phpwiki.css
is interpreted as a request for the wiki page titled
'phpwiki.css'.)

Certainly PhpWiki was not designed with that usage in mind.

That said, here's a couple ideas:

Idea 1:

Recognize certain extensions (.css, .gif, .jpg) as non-wiki page.
Use mod_rewrite rules to differentiate between those special
URLs, and everything else.

Idea 2:

Put all the non-wiki page things on a different (possible virtual)
host.  (Or a (virtual) server running off a different (non-standard)
port.)



Not having attempted either, I like the second idea better...

In either case, you'll have to become familiar with the
configure options in part 5 ("URL options") of index.php
--- most of them will probably require manual configuration...


Write back if you get stuck.
If you get it to work, please write up a short howto...

RE: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Martyn D. <ma...@dr...>]

Jeff,

Firstly many thanks for your reply.  Based on what you've said below, I
think the easiest thing that I can do would be to install PHPwiki under it's
own subdirectory of /wiki and in the root directory have an immediate HTTP
redirect to point to http://xxx/wiki.  This way, everything remains nice and
neat and doesn't involve any hacking about with the files, etc.

Regards,

	Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Dairiki [mailto:da...@da...]
Sent: 22 November 2002 16:17
To: Martyn Drake
Cc: php...@li...
Subject: Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories


> I'm attempting to install phpwiki-1.33 into the root directory of my
> virtual web server (which is running Apache 1.3.27).  Note that it is
> the root directory and not some kind of /wiki or /phpwiki derivative.

I think I remember hearing some reports of some people being at least
partially successful doing that, but I'd recommend against it.

Where PhpWiki is installed (assuming USE_PATHINFO is on), it takes
over the entire URL-space.   If you install PhpWiki under /wiki, every
URL beginning with /wiki is a wiki page (or operation on one).
If you install PhpWiki under /, then every URL on your
host refers to a wiki page.  There's no place left
(without hackage) to put style sheets, icons, or anything
else that's not a wiki page.  (A request for /phpwiki.css
is interpreted as a request for the wiki page titled
'phpwiki.css'.)

Certainly PhpWiki was not designed with that usage in mind.

That said, here's a couple ideas:

Idea 1:

Recognize certain extensions (.css, .gif, .jpg) as non-wiki page.
Use mod_rewrite rules to differentiate between those special
URLs, and everything else.

Idea 2:

Put all the non-wiki page things on a different (possible virtual)
host.  (Or a (virtual) server running off a different (non-standard)
port.)



Not having attempted either, I like the second idea better...

In either case, you'll have to become familiar with the
configure options in part 5 ("URL options") of index.php
--- most of them will probably require manual configuration...


Write back if you get stuck.
If you get it to work, please write up a short howto...

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

> I think the easiest thing that I can do would be to install PHPwiki
> under it's own subdirectory of /wiki and in the root directory have an
> immediate HTTP redirect to point to http://xxx/wiki.

As long as you're only redirecting requests for / (or /index.*) to
/wiki/FrontPage, that will work fine.  If you're thinking of trying
to redirect _everything_, then, of course, you're back to the same
problem.

(If you redirect everything except for requests for /*.{gif,css,jpg},
then that's Idea 1.)

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Philip J. H. <ph...@ho...>]

I have my phpwiki in the root at http://www.hollenback.net, and
everything works fine.  I did have to futz with it a bit to make it
pick up the themes correctly, but it was long enough ago that I don't
remember what I did.  Check the bug reports on the sourceforge site, I
filed the info there.

Now having said that, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as
complicated as Jeff suggests.  For one thing, there is no namespace
issue because every wiki operation has to go through index.php.  So to
take the example of my site, my main css page is at
http://www.hollenback.net/hollenback-style.css.  A wiki page is at
http://www.hollenback.net/index.php/HelpfulMuttHints (for example).

So there's really no issue of the wiki getting in the way.  index.php
for all things wiki, start from the root (/) for everything else.

Unless I'm missing something?

I see the following in the url options part of my index.php:

define('DATA_PATH', '');
define('PHPWIKI_DIR', '.');

This is phpwiki 1.3.3.

P.

On Sweetmorn, the 34th of The Aftermath, Jeff Dairiki spoke:
> > I'm attempting to install phpwiki-1.33 into the root directory of my
> > virtual web server (which is running Apache 1.3.27).  Note that it is
> > the root directory and not some kind of /wiki or /phpwiki derivative.
> 
> I think I remember hearing some reports of some people being at least
> partially successful doing that, but I'd recommend against it.
> 
> Where PhpWiki is installed (assuming USE_PATHINFO is on), it takes
> over the entire URL-space.   If you install PhpWiki under /wiki, every
> URL beginning with /wiki is a wiki page (or operation on one).
> If you install PhpWiki under /, then every URL on your
> host refers to a wiki page.  There's no place left
> (without hackage) to put style sheets, icons, or anything
> else that's not a wiki page.  (A request for /phpwiki.css
> is interpreted as a request for the wiki page titled
> 'phpwiki.css'.)
> 
> Certainly PhpWiki was not designed with that usage in mind.
> 
> That said, here's a couple ideas:
> 
> Idea 1:
> 
> Recognize certain extensions (.css, .gif, .jpg) as non-wiki page.
> Use mod_rewrite rules to differentiate between those special
> URLs, and everything else.
> 
> Idea 2:
> 
> Put all the non-wiki page things on a different (possible virtual)
> host.  (Or a (virtual) server running off a different (non-standard)
> port.)
> 
> 
> 
> Not having attempted either, I like the second idea better...
> 
> In either case, you'll have to become familiar with the
> configure options in part 5 ("URL options") of index.php
> 
> 
> Write back if you get stuck.
> If you get it to work, please write up a short howto...
> 
> 
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Root directories vs. subdirectories

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

> Now having said that, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as
> complicated as Jeff suggests.  For one thing, there is no namespace
> issue because every wiki operation has to go through index.php.  So to
> take the example of my site, my main css page is at
> http://www.hollenback.net/hollenback-style.css.  A wiki page is at
> http://www.hollenback.net/index.php/HelpfulMuttHints (for example).

I believe Martyn wanted to eliminate the index.php part, 
e.g. http://www.hollenback.net/FrontPage

You're quite right, that as long as you're happy with the 'index.php'
in the URLs, there's no problem.