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[Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

I want to simplify the default template actionbar:
Show only the Edit and Info button.
The Diff, PageHistory and DebugInfo buttons are accessible from the 
info.tmpl page.

Should I give it a try on the demo wiki?
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Reini Urban schrieb:
> I want to simplify the default template actionbar:
> Show only the Edit and Info button.
> The Diff, PageHistory and DebugInfo buttons are accessible from the 
> info.tmpl page.
> Should I give it a try on the demo wiki?

I now committed it now to CVS.

See also my shorter "Search" button and the autosplit buttons at 
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/wiki/

How about changing the pagename "FindPage" => "Search" on the default 
template? (German: "Suche")
Of course one can create his own navbar.tmpl template version.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:26:24 +0100
Reini Urban <ru...@x-...> wrote:

> I now committed it now to CVS.

As I think I said, I, at least, don't like it.

If I had to pick one out of (Info, Diff, PageHistory) to leave
on the main page I'd definitely pick PageHistory.  Most of the 
Info stuff is just not interesting to most readers.

If you're reading a page, what are you most likely to want to
know about that page:

  Who wrote it (both the latest version, and who's contributed
  to the page the most)  

  When it was written (when were the bulk of the changes made
  to the page?) (when was the most recent change?)

  What changes were made?

Who cares how may words are on the page (the viewers already
looking at the page)?  The hit count may be
of interest, but probably only to the pages author.  What markup
version?  Only someone who's going to edit the page cares, and
they'll find that out when they try to edit it.
Everything else on the Info page (and much more) is available
on the PageHistory page...


> How about changing the pagename "FindPage" => "Search" on the default 
> template? (German: "Suche")

A little confusing.  I would think "Search" would be the submit
button for the quick search form.  "FindPage" serves the function
that on most web pages is labeled "Advanced Search".

Also FindPage is a wiki link (to the page FindPage).  Are you planning
on renaming pgsrc/FindPage to pgsrc/Search?  I don't think it's 
worth the trouble.

In the end either is okay, but I would vote for the status quo,
because it's the status quo.  (If you move the page FindPage to Search,
it just creates a little more pain for everyone who upgrades their
PhpWiki.)

> Of course one can create his own navbar.tmpl template version.

Of course.  So there's no need to keep mucking with the stock one. :-)

Leaving too many buttons in the stock template is probably better
than too few (within limits, of course) -- at least people will
see what's possible, and it's much easier to figure out how to
delete them from the templates than it is to figure out how to
add them back....

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[aphid <me...@ap...>]

On Monday, September 16, 2002, at 11:41  AM, Jeff Dairiki wrote:
> ...
> Who cares how may words are on the page (the viewers already
> looking at the page)?  The hit count may be
> of interest, but probably only to the pages author.  What markup
> version?  Only someone who's going to edit the page cares, and
> they'll find that out when they try to edit it.
> Everything else on the Info page (and much more) is available
> on the PageHistory page...
>

Maybe there should be separate menubar templates for admin and user.  
Rather than checking for admin for each button, do it once for the page 
and figure out which files to include.  Just a thought.

Cheers
A

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Jeff Dairiki schrieb:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:26:24 +0100
> Reini Urban <ru...@x-...> wrote:
>>I now committed it now to CVS.
> 
> As I think I said, I, at least, don't like it.
> 
> If I had to pick one out of (Info, Diff, PageHistory) to leave
> on the main page I'd definitely pick PageHistory.  Most of the 
> Info stuff is just not interesting to most readers.
> 
> If you're reading a page, what are you most likely to want to
> know about that page:
> 
>   Who wrote it (both the latest version, and who's contributed
>   to the page the most)  
> 
>   When it was written (when were the bulk of the changes made
>   to the page?) (when was the most recent change?)
> 
>   What changes were made?
> 
> Who cares how may words are on the page (the viewers already
> looking at the page)?  The hit count may be
> of interest, but probably only to the pages author.  What markup
> version?  Only someone who's going to edit the page cares, and
> they'll find that out when they try to edit it.
> Everything else on the Info page (and much more) is available
> on the PageHistory page...
> 
> 
>>How about changing the pagename "FindPage" => "Search" on the default 
>>template? (German: "Suche")
> 
> 
> A little confusing.  I would think "Search" would be the submit
> button for the quick search form.  "FindPage" serves the function
> that on most web pages is labeled "Advanced Search".

Why not call it then pgsrc/AdvancedSearch and add a RedirectTo FindPage?

> Also FindPage is a wiki link (to the page FindPage).  Are you planning
> on renaming pgsrc/FindPage to pgsrc/Search?  I don't think it's 
> worth the trouble.

Yes, this was my idea.

> In the end either is okay, but I would vote for the status quo,
> because it's the status quo.  (If you move the page FindPage to Search,
> it just creates a little more pain for everyone who upgrades their
> PhpWiki.)
> 
> 
>>Of course one can create his own navbar.tmpl template version.
> 
> Of course.  So there's no need to keep mucking with the stock one. :-)
> 
> Leaving too many buttons in the stock template is probably better
> than too few (within limits, of course) -- at least people will
> see what's possible, and it's much easier to figure out how to
> delete them from the templates than it is to figure out how to
> add them back....

Okay. I'll revert.

-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] simplify default template

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

> >>How about changing the pagename "FindPage" => "Search" on the default 
> >>template? (German: "Suche")
> > 
> > 
> > A little confusing.  I would think "Search" would be the submit
> > button for the quick search form.  "FindPage" serves the function
> > that on most web pages is labeled "Advanced Search".
> 
> Why not call it then pgsrc/AdvancedSearch and add a RedirectTo FindPage?

I suppose that would be okay.  I kinda like FindPage though.  It's
really more descriptive of what you get on that page.  (The only
"advanced search option" you get there is whether to do a title
or a full text search...  And the idea is that FindPage should have
links to any good IndexPages or other browsing entry points on the wiki.)

("FindPage" has a long wiki-history, as well...  it originated on the
original wiki.)

("AdvancedSearch" definitely takes more real estate than "FindPage", too.)

> Okay. I'll revert.

Thanks!