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[Phpwiki-talk] German translations need proofing (volunteers?)

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Hi,

German translations for PhpWiki 1.3 are 90% complete. I welcome any 
suggestions for change, especially the grammar. :-)

Cheers,
Carsten

P.S.
- There are a few translated strings which still render in english, 
offhand I don't know why (the word "edit" on the Diff page, for one 
example).
- There are other strings I know of that weren't automatically picked out 
of the source code by xgettext for inclusion in the .po files, and on 
quick inspection of the files I couldn't yet see why.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] German translations need proofing (volunteers?)

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:26:34 -0500
"Carsten Klapp" <car...@ma...> wrote:

> - There are a few translated strings which still render in english, 
> offhand I don't know why (the word "edit" on the Diff page, for one 
> example).

That's because the translation for "Edit:" is tagged as 'fuzzy' in the
local/po/de.po.  "Fuzzy" means that (at some point) the translation was
_automagically_  (had to use that word, just for you :-) ) guessed 
by msgmerge base on similarity to some other translation already
in de.po.  (Msgfmt, by default, ignores the 'fuzzy' entries.)

If you use po-mode in emacs, it's very easy to find and manipulate these
flags ('f' takes you to the next fuzzy translation, 'TAB' un-fuzzies it.)


> - There are other strings I know of that weren't automatically picked
out > of the source code by xgettext for inclusion in the .po files, and
on > quick inspection of the files I couldn't yet see why.

Which ones?

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] German translations need proofing (volunteers?)

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Ok, I removed the fuzzies with emacs--what a cool little program! (I was=20=

used to using pico, never even new what emacs was.)

Still verifying which strings weren't picked out by xgettext.

A couple more problems:

1. Variable reordering. In the case where word ordering differs during=20=

translation, the gettext manual suggests the following syntax to force =
the=20
correct text substitution:

  #: ../lib/diff.php:251
  #, c-format
  msgid "Differences between %s and %s of %s."
  msgstr "Der Unterschiedsergebnis von %3$s, zwischen %1$s und %2$s."

PHP doesn't like it. Probably the example from the gettext manual refers=20=

to C code.

  PHP Warnungen
  locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/phpwiki.php:57: Notice[8]: Undefined variable: s

What to do?


2. Strings in the html template don't seem to substitute for %s.
I tried:
          <?php echo sprintf(_("haystack %s"),_("needle")); ?>

and some permutations of $_() as they are used elsewhere on the page:
          <?php echo sprintf($_("haystack %s"),_("needle")); ?>


The purpose is to make the three following changes, the first and second=20=

are the most important:

1.=3D=3D=3D=3D
#: ../templates/browse.html:97 ../templates/editpage.html:71
-msgid "You are signed in as"
-msgstr "Du bist eingemeldet als"

+msgid "You are signed in as %s"
+msgstr "Du bist als %s eingemeldet"

2.=3D=3D=3D=3D
  #: ../templates/editpage.html:80
-msgid "You can change the size of the editing area in"

+msgid "You can change the size of the editing area in %s"

3.=3D=3D=3D=3D
-#: ../templates/editpage.html:82
-msgid "See"
-msgstr "Sehe"
  #: ../templates/editpage.html:82
  msgid "GoodStyle"
  msgstr "GuterStil"
-#: ../templates/editpage.html:82
-msgid "tips for editing."
-msgstr "tips f=B8rs Editieren."

+msgid "See %s tips for editing."
+msgstr "Sehe %s tips f=B8rs Editieren."

=3D=3D=3D=3D


Carsten

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[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

Carsten Klapp said:

> 1. Variable reordering.

That's a problem.  PHP doesn't seem to support the printf
argument reordering...

I'll see if I can think of a work-around.

> 2. Strings in the html template don't seem to substitute for %s.
> I tried:
>          <?php echo sprintf(_("haystack %s"),_("needle")); ?>

That works for me.  I just tried it.
Also note that 'printf(...);' is equivalent to 'echo sprintf(...);'.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] German translations need proofing (volunteers?)

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Hi,

Found my problem using sprintf in the html templates!

Turns out that variables in bracket form on the templates need to be 
quoted "${var}" or else they aren't eval()'d.

-<?php echo sprintf(_("Last edited on %s."),${LASTMODIFIED}); ?>
+<?php printf(_("Last edited on %s."),"${LASTMODIFIED}"); ?>

Thanks for the tip about printf.


Also the new variable reordering functions sound great. I'll try them 
later today.


carsten

On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 08:09  pm, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> Carsten Klapp said:
>
>> 1. Variable reordering.
>
> That's a problem.  PHP doesn't seem to support the printf
> argument reordering...
>
> I'll see if I can think of a work-around.
>
>> 2. Strings in the html template don't seem to substitute for %s.
>> I tried:
>>          <?php echo sprintf(_("haystack %s"),_("needle")); ?>
>
> That works for me.  I just tried it.
> Also note that 'printf(...);' is equivalent to 'echo sprintf(...);'.

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[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

Carsten Klapp said:

> 1. Variable reordering. In the case where word ordering differs during
> translation, the gettext manual suggests the following syntax to force
> the  correct text substitution:
>
>  #: ../lib/diff.php:251
>  #, c-format
>  msgid "Differences between %s and %s of %s."
>  msgstr "Der Unterschiedsergebnis von %3$s, zwischen %1$s und %2$s."

I've just checked three new functions into lib/stdlib.php.
__printf, __sprintf, and __vsprintf.  These behave like the
PHP's built-in printf functions, except:

 1. They pass the format string through gettext().
 2. The support the above method of argument reordering.

(I've also fixed locale/Makefile, so that xgettext will find
the format strings of __printf()s, __sprintf()s, __vsprintf()s...)



For the argument reordering to work, code like:

  printf(gettext("..format string.."), ..., ...);

needs to be changed to:

  __printf("..format string..", ..., ...);

(And similarly for sprintf.)

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] German translations need proofing (volunteers?)

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Carsten Klapp wrote:

>
> Ok, I removed the fuzzies with emacs--what a cool little program! (I was
> used to using pico, never even new what emacs was.)

Gott im Himmel. You've been using Pico to edit source files? My fingers
hurt just thinking about it!

~swain


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