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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] tables again

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Does anybody have an idea how to markup tables in wiki, so that they
>appear without a border ?

Yeah, I've been noticing that mostly I've been wanting border-less tables
as well.  Perhaps tables should always be border-less?

What about just one thin border around the whole table (no lines between
cells.)  Just so that it's obvious that it's a table?

(I'm open to suggestions regarding whether the tables should be centered
or not as well.)

> | this | is | a | table without border

> || this on || is with border

That's non-intuitive for me.  And seems a bit complicated.

My take on it is that tables are to allow one to present data which wants
to be tabular in a tabular form.  They're not in the wiki to allow 
for fancy diddling and customization of the layout.


Note also, that in the CVS I've changed the default justification from 
centered to left-justified.   (That's the HTML default anyway,) and
it seems like that's the most common choice.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] tables again

[Aredridel <are...@nb...>]

> Does anybody have an idea how to markup tables in wiki, so that they
> appear without a border ?
> 
> Maybee we should change to=20
> 
> | this | is | a | table without border
> 
> || this on || is with border
> 
> 
> || another || with || border
> ||+ first two cells joined  || third cell=20

I'd say that tables should always have a small, tasteful border: reason
being to avoid people using them as layout controls, and instead, use 'em as
tabular data only.

I'd say the same for joined cells-- why bother? It's not simple markup, and
rather against the spirit of Wiki.

Ari

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] tables again ,css

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

> I'd say that tables should always have a small, tasteful border: reason
> being to avoid people using them as layout controls, and instead, use 'em
as
> tabular data only.
>
> I'd say the same for joined cells-- why bother? It's not simple markup,
and
> rather against the spirit of Wiki.

Regarding all this comments to tables i would suggest:

leave tables as they are, ommit any customization of table layout and do it
all in the stylesheet.

If one could add a [style.css] to set the stylesheet and/or something to
change the actual class
(maybe [class:aclass]) then the whole things would be higly configurable.

Thomas

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] tables again

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Aredridel wrote:

> I'd say that tables should always have a small, tasteful border: reason
> being to avoid people using them as layout controls, and instead, use 'em as
> tabular data only.

I agree with Ari here. Tables are for tabular data. A Wiki is for
hypertext.

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] tables again

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

> My take on it is that tables are to allow one to present data which wants
> to be tabular in a tabular form.  They're not in the wiki to allow
> for fancy diddling and customization of the layout.

I agree completely.

My requests on a wiki are
*make input as easy as possible
*make output as helpfull as possible
*find a structure, where any helpfull text fits in

helpfull texts could be
*instructions (demands: images, tables)
*theoretical papers (footnotes, chapters, references,annotations )
*collections (tables wiht guides for the eye)


But think of these two examples

a) you like to have a instruction how to cook something,
then you would like to have a table with text and pictures, without any
borders

| text describing procedure | [picture.png] %%% title

b) you have a long list of data (for example train arrivals or something
like that)
its not so nice to read without help, but this might be also different
colouring from line to line


> What about just one thin border around the whole table (no lines between
> cells.)  Just so that it's obvious that it's a table?


>
> (I'm open to suggestions regarding whether the tables should be centered
> or not as well.)

In my oppinion not centered.


>
> Note also, that in the CVS I've changed the default justification from
> centered to left-justified.   (That's the HTML default anyway,) and
> it seems like that's the most common choice.

agreed

Thomas