phpwiki-talk

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Reini says:
>date() is not localised, use strftime() instead. =

>but strftime() has a different template syntax. edit index.php also then=
=2E

Good observation.  Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to using
strftime rather than date everywhere?

>setlocale("LC_TIME", "german"); =


Speaking of which, has anyone tried the latest CVS code to see if
my hacks to accept international characters in WikiW=F6rter work? =


(Steve: alpha/index.php needs to be updated --- new $WikiNameRegexp)

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As for transform bugs:
}Steve says:
}Do you mean the <P><p> here? Isn't the first one from the template?

Actually, it's from lib/savepage.php.  It only appears in a freshly
saved page.  (It should be removed, I think -- but it's certainly no big
deal.)

}The rest below look well formed to me.

Me too.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

In message <3AA...@x-...>,Reini Urban writes:
>> Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to using
>> strftime rather than date everywhere?
>> 
>> >setlocale("LC_TIME", "german");
>
>yes, there is. 
>I couldn't figure out which locale on which platform is best, or just works. 
>at least for german :)

Uh oh.  I was afraid of that.

>LC_TYPE "german" works for me on win2000 and linux now, 
>but the recommended settings ("de_GE" or "de_AT") do not work as they should.
>  (austrians need different sublocales for weekday and month names for
>example)

'de_GE' (probably a typo?) is incorrect, I think.  Should be 'de_DE'?

Datapoint: I've tested 'de_DE' and 'de_AT', and 'german' on four Linux
systems. They all seem to work (at least they do something) on all of them.
The systems were:
      RedHat 7.0, glibc 2.2
      RedHat 6.2, glibc-2.1
      RedHat 5.2, glibc-2.1
      Debian 2.2?, glibc 2.1

Plain 'de' does not work on any of those systems.  I though it should,
but perhaps I'm wrong.

(A simple way to test, at least on unix systems, is from the command
line, e.g.:)

 LANG=de_DE date "+%x"

Which should print the date in the locale-specific format.



That said, even if you can't find the correct locale setting, does
switching from date() to strftime() break anything?  With date()
you're stuck with English days/months no matter what --- with strftime()
you have a chance of getting dates in your native language.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Jeff Dairiki schrieb:
> 'de_GE' (probably a typo?) is incorrect, I think.  Should be 'de_DE'?

oh yes.

> Datapoint: I've tested 'de_DE' and 'de_AT', and 'german' on four Linux
> systems. They all seem to work (at least they do something) on all of them.
> The systems were:
>       RedHat 7.0, glibc 2.2
>       RedHat 6.2, glibc-2.1
>       RedHat 5.2, glibc-2.1
>       Debian 2.2?, glibc 2.1
> 
> Plain 'de' does not work on any of those systems.  I though it should,
> but perhaps I'm wrong.
> 
> (A simple way to test, at least on unix systems, is from the command
> line, e.g.:)
> 
>  LANG=de_DE date "+%x"

on bash only. that's fine, thanks!

Suse v?? glibc-2.1
 
$LANG=de_AT date "+%x %X" 
2001-03-15 02:05:44
$LANG=de_DE date "+%x %X"  
15.03.2001 02:05:55
$LANG=de date "+%x %X"   
03/15/01 02:06:00
$LANG=german date "+%x %X"  
15.03.2001 02:06:04
$LANG=deutsch date "+%x %X"      
15.03.2001 02:06:11

strange, but okay for me. austrians seem to favor standards :)

> Which should print the date in the locale-specific format.
> 
> That said, even if you can't find the correct locale setting, does
> switching from date() to strftime() break anything?  With date()
> you're stuck with English days/months no matter what --- with strftime()
> you have a chance of getting dates in your native language.

everything works okay. 
I tested it in my first php project ever (a movie database) and 
there my problems were probably just my mistake.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Suse v?? glibc-2.1

I suspect all glibc-2.x's will work similarly.  Older libc's (and
non glibc's, I don't know about.)

>$LANG=de date "+%x %X"   
>03/15/01 02:06:00

That's a failure (just like I saw in my tests).  It's can't find 'de',
so the locale defaults to "C".  You can be even more sure of this
by printing the day-name:

LANG=de_DE date +%A
Mittwoch

LANG=de date +%A
Wednesday

So tell me again: which of these worked under which version(s) of
Windows?

I just tested an older SunOS machine: 'de' and 'de_AT' worked, but NOT
'de_DE' nor 'german' nor 'deutsch'.  Ug.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

win2000:

on cygwin (latest) all these date commands just do the C locale.

but php is better: 
I use the [2001-02-20] php4.0.5-dev testbranch (the second i guess, but locale
stuff didn't change) 
from the german binary download site http://www.mm4.de/php4win/.

<dl>
<dt>php version:</dt><dd><b><?php print phpversion()?></b></dd>
<dt>server api:</dt><dd><b><?php print function_exists("php_sapi_name") ?
php_sapi_name() : "unable to detect" ?></b></dd>
<dt>system:</dd><dd><b><?php print function_exists("php_uname") ? php_uname()
: "unable to detect" ?></b></dd>

<?php 
function testlctime ($loc) {
  setlocale ("LC_TIME", $loc); 
  echo "<dt>$loc:</dt><dd><b>";
  echo strftime ("%a., %d. %b %Y - %x %X", time());
  echo "</b></dd>";
}
testlctime ("de");      // wrong
testlctime ("de_AT");	// wrong
testlctime ("de_DE");	// wrong
testlctime ("deutsch");	// wrong
testlctime ("german");  // okay
?>
</dl>

=>

php version:
     4.0.5-dev 
server api:
     apache 
system:
     Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 
de:
     Fri., 16. Mar 2001 - 03/16/01 09:05:21
de_AT:
     Fri., 16. Mar 2001 - 03/16/01 09:05:21
de_DE:
     Fri., 16. Mar 2001 - 03/16/01 09:05:21
deutsch:
     Fri., 16. Mar 2001 - 03/16/01 09:05:21
german:
     Fr., 16. Mrz 2001 - 16.03.2001 09:05:21

Jeff Dairiki schrieb:
> 
> >Suse v?? glibc-2.1
> 
> I suspect all glibc-2.x's will work similarly.  Older libc's (and
> non glibc's, I don't know about.)
> 
> >$LANG=de date "+%x %X"
> >03/15/01 02:06:00
> 
> That's a failure (just like I saw in my tests).  It's can't find 'de',
> so the locale defaults to "C".  You can be even more sure of this
> by printing the day-name:
> 
> LANG=de_DE date +%A
> Mittwoch
> 
> LANG=de date +%A
> Wednesday
> 
> So tell me again: which of these worked under which version(s) of
> Windows?
> 
> I just tested an older SunOS machine: 'de' and 'de_AT' worked, but NOT
> 'de_DE' nor 'german' nor 'deutsch'.  Ug.

-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> >Reini says:
> >date() is not localised, use strftime() instead.
> >but strftime() has a different template syntax. edit index.php also then.
>
> Good observation.  Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to using
> strftime rather than date everywhere?

None... or perhaps better yet wrap strftime() in a function or method, and
give it a more user-friendly appearance. (I wonder how long it takes
non-English speaking people to figure out what "strftime" means?)

> (Steve: alpha/index.php needs to be updated --- new $WikiNameRegexp)

I'll check to see if it's updated lately. I have never seen an unreliable
crond until I started running jobs on Sourceforge.


~swain

---
                  http://www.panix.com/~swain/
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring
production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
                     -- Frank Zappa

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] transforum bug

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

Sorry making so mutch trouble about it,
next time i will be more modest creating the subject line ;-)
T.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] date output

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Jeff Dairiki schrieb:
> >Reini says:
> >date() is not localised, use strftime() instead.
> >but strftime() has a different template syntax. edit index.php also then.
> 
> Good observation.  Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to using
> strftime rather than date everywhere?
> 
> >setlocale("LC_TIME", "german");

yes, there is. 
I couldn't figure out which locale on which platform is best, or just works. 
at least for german :)

LC_TYPE "german" works for me on win2000 and linux now, 
but the recommended settings ("de_GE" or "de_AT") do not work as they should.
  (austrians need different sublocales for weekday and month names for
example)
my /usr/share/locale dirs are not very rich on TC_TIME settings. Or I just
cannot find them.

Win2000 has a better native (ie builtin) SDK on this.

> Speaking of which, has anyone tried the latest CVS code to see if
> my hacks to accept international characters in WikiWörter work?
> 
> (Steve: alpha/index.php needs to be updated --- new $WikiNameRegexp)

not yet. this is a massive change for existing content.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/