Re: [Phpwiki-talk] GoPHP5 project, anyone?

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> I am thinking the benefit is not having to support PHP4 anymore :o)
> 
> What I did for PHP3->PHP4 was to simply say, "Version 1.0 will work  
> with PHP3, the 1.1 series requires PHP4." Simply creating a  
> demarcation point in the releases keeps plenty of people in the loop;  
> and PHP4 will be discontinued sooner or later (next year, if I read  
> correctly), so PhpWiki dropping PHP4 support is pretty much an  
> inevitability.

So it's a good option for 1.4, which will come later this year.
Other opinions?

BTW: Profiling tells me that phpwiki is spending a lot of time in the 
version detection code. Almost 10% of the database and formatting code.
I assume that the formatting code will get a bit faster in a php5-only 
branch. But the real speed advantage will be php6.

> Just my two cents.
> ~swain
> 
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
>> Steve Wainstead schrieb:
>>> Hello Reini, et al:
>>>
>>> Has anyone approached you yet about the Go PHP 5 project yet? It's a
>>> grassroots campaign to get projects to drop support for PHP4.
>>>
>>> I loosely follow the Gallery project and it looks like they are  
>>> about to
>>> join up (see below).
>> Nope.
>> What a stupid idea. What should be the benefits?
>>
>> I see a lot of dropped support for servers only having php4.
>> One of the basic principles of phpwiki was always "run everywhere,  
>> with
>> any kind of php version or database or backend storage."
>> We should be proud to have full ph4 support, whilst the trendy folks
>> just bother to support nifty php5 features.
>>
>> They should rather target packagers like debian, redhat, ubuntu,
>> apachefriends and mandrake to drop php4, not us apps.
>>
>> I follow the php developers complaints about not wanting to maintain
>> php4 any more.
>> perl still supports 5.005 up to 5.8 and 5.10 and working on 6,
>> just the php folks are too stupid to bring up their build system and
>> workflow to a maintainable level.
>>
>> One counter argument: rdf-api would be nice to have for a reasoner
>> backend and query parser (owl export, sparql). They only support php5
>> for these submodules and that would be hard to rewrite to work with  
>> php4
>> also.
>>
>>> ~swain
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> *From: *Larry Garfield <la...@ga...
>>>> <mailto:la...@ga...>>
>>>> *Date: *July 10, 2007 10:36:40 PM EDT
>>>> *To: *Bharat Mediratta <bh...@me...  
>>>> <mailto:bh...@me...>>
>>>> *Cc: *gal...@li...
>>>> <mailto:gal...@li...>
>>>> *Subject: **Re: [Gallery-devel] The PHP 5 revolution*
>>>>
>>>> Hi again, Bharat.  It's not quite the list you had before, but  
>>>> does 30
>>>> projects and 50+ web hosts count as "critical mass"?
>>>>
>>>> http://gophp5.org/projects
>>>> http://gophp5.org/hosts
>>>>
>>>> That's also not counting web hosts that offer PHP 5 as an option but
>>>> not the
>>>> default.
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually rather surprised myself at how much steam this has  
>>>> picked
>>>> up.  I
>>>> don't know if you follow php-internals at all, but they're actively
>>>> discussing dropping PHP 4 support completely within the next year.
>>>>
>>>> Is this something Gallery could get behind at this point?
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 01 July 2007, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>
>>>>> How's this progressing?  Andy pointed out that we should focus  
>>>>> on the
>>>>> high profile php4-only projects like ezPublish.  Serious hosts that
>>>>> offer php4 only today will offer both versions when the pressure  
>>>>> is on,
>>>>> but it would help if there were less pressure to keep php4  
>>>>> around...
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bharat
>>>>>
>>>>> Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>> Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks, Bharat.  I can understand your position, certainly.  What
>>>>>>> would you consider "critical mass"?  Shear number or some  
>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>> "big" projects (for some definition of big) or...?
>>>>>> Good question :-)  I think that we'd want to see the majority  
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> best-of-breed applications in various different webapp categories
>>>>>> support this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are lists of apps that our affiliate web hosts support:
>>>>>>     http://partners.powweb.com/powweb/autoInstalls.bml
>>>>>>     http://wiki.dreamhost.com/One_Click_Installs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we'd want the top 3 hosts here to support PHP5 (I think  
>>>>>> that they
>>>>>> already do, but it wouldn't hurt to get them on the list):
>>>>>>     http://gallery.menalto.com/wiki/Web_Hosting_Referral_Page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can get 50% of those apps on board, I think that would  
>>>>>> be more
>>>>>> than enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for advertising, I don't believe we're planning any sort of  
>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>> advertising.  This isn't a money-making venture by any  
>>>>>>> means. :-)  We
>>>>>>> plan to have a page/link for web hosts that offer 5.2 out of  
>>>>>>> the box,
>>>>>>> just as we'll list projects that are targeting 5.2, as an added
>>>>>>> incentive for hosts to get on board; they get to appear
>>>>>>> "future-friendly".  That's as close to advertising as we plan  
>>>>>>> to get,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> Thanks.  That's what I figured, but I wanted to make sure that  
>>>>>> we were
>>>>>> clear :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Bharat
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