Re: [Phpwiki-talk] GoPHP5 project, anyone?

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

I am thinking the benefit is not having to support PHP4 anymore :o)

What I did for PHP3->PHP4 was to simply say, "Version 1.0 will work  
with PHP3, the 1.1 series requires PHP4." Simply creating a  
demarcation point in the releases keeps plenty of people in the loop;  
and PHP4 will be discontinued sooner or later (next year, if I read  
correctly), so PhpWiki dropping PHP4 support is pretty much an  
inevitability.

Just my two cents.
~swain

On Jul 11, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Reini Urban wrote:

> Steve Wainstead schrieb:
>> Hello Reini, et al:
>>
>> Has anyone approached you yet about the Go PHP 5 project yet? It's a
>> grassroots campaign to get projects to drop support for PHP4.
>>
>> I loosely follow the Gallery project and it looks like they are  
>> about to
>> join up (see below).
>
> Nope.
> What a stupid idea. What should be the benefits?
>
> I see a lot of dropped support for servers only having php4.
> One of the basic principles of phpwiki was always "run everywhere,  
> with
> any kind of php version or database or backend storage."
> We should be proud to have full ph4 support, whilst the trendy folks
> just bother to support nifty php5 features.
>
> They should rather target packagers like debian, redhat, ubuntu,
> apachefriends and mandrake to drop php4, not us apps.
>
> I follow the php developers complaints about not wanting to maintain
> php4 any more.
> perl still supports 5.005 up to 5.8 and 5.10 and working on 6,
> just the php folks are too stupid to bring up their build system and
> workflow to a maintainable level.
>
> One counter argument: rdf-api would be nice to have for a reasoner
> backend and query parser (owl export, sparql). They only support php5
> for these submodules and that would be hard to rewrite to work with  
> php4
> also.
>
>> ~swain
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> *From: *Larry Garfield <la...@ga...
>>> <mailto:la...@ga...>>
>>> *Date: *July 10, 2007 10:36:40 PM EDT
>>> *To: *Bharat Mediratta <bh...@me...  
>>> <mailto:bh...@me...>>
>>> *Cc: *gal...@li...
>>> <mailto:gal...@li...>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [Gallery-devel] The PHP 5 revolution*
>>>
>>> Hi again, Bharat.  It's not quite the list you had before, but  
>>> does 30
>>> projects and 50+ web hosts count as "critical mass"?
>>>
>>> http://gophp5.org/projects
>>> http://gophp5.org/hosts
>>>
>>> That's also not counting web hosts that offer PHP 5 as an option but
>>> not the
>>> default.
>>>
>>> I'm actually rather surprised myself at how much steam this has  
>>> picked
>>> up.  I
>>> don't know if you follow php-internals at all, but they're actively
>>> discussing dropping PHP 4 support completely within the next year.
>>>
>>> Is this something Gallery could get behind at this point?
>>>
>>> On Sunday 01 July 2007, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>> Larry,
>>>>
>>>> How's this progressing?  Andy pointed out that we should focus  
>>>> on the
>>>> high profile php4-only projects like ezPublish.  Serious hosts that
>>>> offer php4 only today will offer both versions when the pressure  
>>>> is on,
>>>> but it would help if there were less pressure to keep php4  
>>>> around...
>>>>
>>>> -Bharat
>>>>
>>>> Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>> Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks, Bharat.  I can understand your position, certainly.  What
>>>>>> would you consider "critical mass"?  Shear number or some  
>>>>>> number of
>>>>>> "big" projects (for some definition of big) or...?
>>>>>
>>>>> Good question :-)  I think that we'd want to see the majority  
>>>>> of the
>>>>> best-of-breed applications in various different webapp categories
>>>>> support this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are lists of apps that our affiliate web hosts support:
>>>>>     http://partners.powweb.com/powweb/autoInstalls.bml
>>>>>     http://wiki.dreamhost.com/One_Click_Installs
>>>>>
>>>>> And we'd want the top 3 hosts here to support PHP5 (I think  
>>>>> that they
>>>>> already do, but it wouldn't hurt to get them on the list):
>>>>>     http://gallery.menalto.com/wiki/Web_Hosting_Referral_Page
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can get 50% of those apps on board, I think that would  
>>>>> be more
>>>>> than enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As for advertising, I don't believe we're planning any sort of  
>>>>>> real
>>>>>> advertising.  This isn't a money-making venture by any  
>>>>>> means. :-)  We
>>>>>> plan to have a page/link for web hosts that offer 5.2 out of  
>>>>>> the box,
>>>>>> just as we'll list projects that are targeting 5.2, as an added
>>>>>> incentive for hosts to get on board; they get to appear
>>>>>> "future-friendly".  That's as close to advertising as we plan  
>>>>>> to get,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.  That's what I figured, but I wanted to make sure that  
>>>>> we were
>>>>> clear :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bharat
>
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