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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 18:14:20
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I am currently using hmtlArea 3.0 beta on a fairly large school site (phpWS 0.9.3-3), and applaud the idea that it might be incorporated in phpWS 0.9.4. I've had a few difficulties, though, and thought I'd note them for the record here. 1. Macintosh Mozilla (I know, you guys disdain Macs. But my school has lots of iBooks and I have a TiBook.) opens the various popups (text color, for example) BEHIND the main window. It takes a second click to show them. 2. Mac Mozilla 1.6 crashes on editing text with an embedded image; 1.7 doesn't. Who knows why. I've simply disabled the image embedding control, since most places it makes sense already provide for adding an image. 3. The cut, copy and paste controls cannot be enabled in Mac Mozilla (and maybe other versions too). That's okay, really; people should use the key controls anyway. 4. I have not yet found a way to enable two text areas to be edited by htmlArea on the same page -- only one actually delivers its results on Submit. And since the technique kindly supplied on www.phpwebsitemanual.com for installing htmlArea replaces ALL text areas on a page with htmlAreas if only one is desired, one is stuck not using htmlArea at all on pages with more than one text area. (Sometimes you can replace one text area with a text field, but that requires modifying the module code, something I don't like to do.) There's quite a bit of conversation about this problem on the forum at interactivetools, but no solution readily applies to phpWS in my opinion. 5. Only those modules which already employ the standard phpWS wysiwyg buttons can have htmlArea installed by the technique mentioned above. Adding htmlArea to other modules thus requires (minor) modifications to module code. (The essence is that the module must use PHPWS_WizardBag::js_insert(), which normally inserts the JavaScript for the regular buttons.) 6. Any effort to customize or improve htmlArea requires an understanding far exceeding mine of high-level object-oriented JavaScript. I limp along in PHP/MySQL and minimal JavaScript, so I don't know what to do when a window opens behind, for example. Some of the above can surely be overcome in a more extensive phpWS implementation; I have all the faith in the world in the development team! Others remain sticky. But htmlArea is the best I've found, and I'm sticking with it, at least for the moment. George ______________________________________ George Brackett, Principal George Brackett Associates 617 413 4316 / gbr...@lu... http://www.luceatlux.com/gba/ |
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 18:29:18
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I've actually used only the older www.phpwebsitemanual.com method for installing htmlArea, not the one posted on January 22nd '04 that uses the file loadhtmlarea.js. The problem of multiple areas should still be there using this approach, however. On 8/11/04 2:14 PM, "George Brackett" <gbr...@lu...> wrote: > 4. I have not yet found a way to enable two text areas to be edited by > htmlArea on the same page -- only one actually delivers its results on > Submit. And since the technique kindly supplied on www.phpwebsitemanual.com > for installing htmlArea replaces ALL text areas on a page with htmlAreas if > only one is desired, one is stuck not using htmlArea at all on pages with > more than one text area. (Sometimes you can replace one text area with a > text field, but that requires modifying the module code, something I don't > like to do.) There's quite a bit of conversation about this problem on the > forum at interactivetools, but no solution readily applies to phpWS in my > opinion. ______________________________________ George Brackett, Principal George Brackett Associates 617 413 4316 / gbr...@lu... http://www.luceatlux.com/gba/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-11 18:49:46
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 11:14, George Brackett wrote:
> I am currently using hmtlArea 3.0 beta on a fairly large school site (phpWS
> 0.9.3-3), and applaud the idea that it might be incorporated in phpWS 0.9.4.
> I've had a few difficulties, though, and thought I'd note them for the
> record here.
George,
Did you report these issues to the htmlarea project?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/itools-htmlarea/
> Some of the above can surely be overcome in a more extensive phpWS
> implementation; I have all the faith in the world in the development team!
> Others remain sticky. But htmlArea is the best I've found, and I'm sticking
> with it, at least for the moment.
Have you evaluated Kupu?
http://kupu.oscom.org/
irc://freenode.net/%23kupu
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Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 19:40:54
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On 8/11/04 2:55 PM, "Mike Noyes" <mh...@us...> wrote: > George, > Did you report these issues to the htmlarea project? I'm sure they're aware of the general issues, and the ones particular to phpWS don't concern them directly. But I've spent time mostly on the interactivetools forum, where there's lots of discussion of issues, including the popup window issue and the multiple textarea issue. > > Have you evaluated Kupu? > I looked at it (at your suggestion), but couldn't figure out how to integrate it without more of a knowledge of JavaScript. Since I had a leg up with htmlArea, I stayed with that. What makes you so fervent about kupu? George |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-11 19:54:42
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:40, George Brackett wrote:
> On 8/11/04 2:55 PM, "Mike Noyes" <mh...@us...> wrote:
> > Have you evaluated Kupu?
> >
> I looked at it (at your suggestion), but couldn't figure out how to
> integrate it without more of a knowledge of JavaScript. Since I had a leg
> up with htmlArea, I stayed with that. What makes you so fervent about kupu?
George,
Integration shouldn't require javascript modification. Did you look at
the docs?
http://codespeak.net/svn/kupu/trunk/kupu/doc/
Main reasons for advocating: Plone, Silva, and Lenya have standardized
on Kupu, and it makes use of css.
--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 20:50:06
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I've read their installation notes and found them quite murky. The demo is simply overwhelming, and I can't tell what part of the source is generated on the fly and what part you have to have included every time you call the editor. They need better docs, because I trust your judgment and you say it's easy. Do you have a suggestion for a less-steep slope to try it in phpWS? George On 8/11/04 4:00 PM, "Mike Noyes" <mh...@us...> wrote: > George, > Integration shouldn't require javascript modification. Did you look at > the docs? > > http://codespeak.net/svn/kupu/trunk/kupu/doc/ > > Main reasons for advocating: Plone, Silva, and Lenya have standardized > on Kupu, and it makes use of css. ______________________________________ George Brackett, Principal George Brackett Associates 617 413 4316 / gbr...@lu... http://www.luceatlux.com/gba/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-11 21:06:20
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 13:49, George Brackett wrote: > I've read their installation notes and found them quite murky. The demo is > simply overwhelming, and I can't tell what part of the source is generated > on the fly and what part you have to have included every time you call the > editor. George, I passed your concerns on to the Kupu developers. > They need better docs, because I trust your judgment and you say > it's easy. Do you have a suggestion for a less-steep slope to try it in > phpWS? Don't rely on my judgment. I'm no developer. I'll try to locate a howto integrate document. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-11 21:16:13
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 13:49, George Brackett wrote: > I've read their installation notes and found them quite murky. The demo is > simply overwhelming, and I can't tell what part of the source is generated > on the fly and what part you have to have included every time you call the > editor. They need better docs, because I trust your judgment and you say > it's easy. Do you have a suggestion for a less-steep slope to try it in > phpWS? George, Here is a irc conversation I just had with philiKON in #kupu. I hope it helps. <mhnoyes> I think George is looking for more of a cookbook approach. <philiKON> i guess we don't have that <philiKON> he should basically read TEMPLATE-SYSTEM.txt <philiKON> and look at some implementation layers <philiKON> like zope2, silva, plone <philiKON> the basic concept is that the "default" layer provides a run-out-of-the-box-and-from-the-filesystem version of kupu <philiKON> and each implementation needs to change a few things to make integration work <philiKON> in kupu lingo, it overrides featuers <philiKON> or reorders features and parts <philiKON> or disables features even <philiKON> so that in the end, you generate implementation-specific templates from a collection of default templates + customiziation rules -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Shaun M. <sh...@ae...> - 2004-08-11 19:54:47
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There's a whopping great big list of these tools at http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html and that's out of date. I bet everyone has their favourites. At one point the candidate for inclusion was HyperTextArea which generated much more compact code than HTMLArea. See http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypertextarea/ Shaun aegis design - http://www.aegisdesign.co.uk |
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 20:04:13
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On 8/11/04 3:54 PM, "Shaun Murray" <sh...@ae...> wrote: > At one point the candidate for inclusion was HyperTextArea which > generated much more compact code than HTMLArea. See > http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypertextarea/ > Apparently Matthew McNaney investigated it. He told me it was buggy. I didn't play with it long enough to say one way or the other. |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-13 16:30:16
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:54, Shaun Murray wrote: > There's a whopping great big list of these tools at > http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html and that's out of > date. I bet everyone has their favourites. Shaun, Here is another list. Open Source WYSIWYG Through-The-Web Editors http://www.cmsreview.com/WYSIWYG/OpenSource/Directory.html -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Shaun M. <sh...@ae...> - 2004-08-11 20:35:37
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I'll add this one to the list as well... http://www.fckeditor.net/ Looks very comprehensive. Doesn't work on Safari but nothing does until they implement contentEditable. It falls back nicely though. Works great in Firefox and pretty snappy to load. Includes image upload and management as well. Shaun aegis design - http://www.aegisdesign.co.uk |
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 20:47:02
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Good thought, but ... sigh. The toolbar icons don't display properly in Mac Mozilla 1.6. On 8/11/04 4:35 PM, "Shaun Murray" <sh...@ae...> wrote: > I'll add this one to the list as well... > > http://www.fckeditor.net/ > > Looks very comprehensive. Doesn't work on Safari but nothing does until > they implement contentEditable. It falls back nicely though. Works > great in Firefox and pretty snappy to load. > > Includes image upload and management as well. ______________________________________ George Brackett, Principal George Brackett Associates 617 413 4316 / gbr...@lu... http://www.luceatlux.com/gba/ |
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From: Shaun M. <sh...@ae...> - 2004-08-11 20:54:07
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On 11 Aug 2004, at 21:46, George Brackett wrote: > Good thought, but ... sigh. The toolbar icons don't display properly > in Mac > Mozilla 1.6. They do in Mac Firefox 0.9 which is what I'm using. Odd that they don't in Mozilla. I imagine it's just a minor bug to fix. Shaun aegis design - http://www.aegisdesign.co.uk |
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From: George B. <gbr...@lu...> - 2004-08-11 21:20:37
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On 8/11/04 4:54 PM, "Shaun Murray" <sh...@ae...> wrote: > They do in Mac Firefox 0.9 which is what I'm using. Odd that they don't > in Mozilla. I imagine it's just a minor bug to fix. > Hmm. Mac Firefox 0.9.3 hangs every time I access the phpWS 0.9.3-3 login page with index.php?module=users&norm_user_op=signup . Hangs. Have to Force Quit. Have you had any similar experience? |
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From: Shaun M. <sh...@ae...> - 2004-08-11 22:30:24
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On 11 Aug 2004, at 22:20, George Brackett wrote: > On 8/11/04 4:54 PM, "Shaun Murray" <sh...@ae...> wrote: > >> They do in Mac Firefox 0.9 which is what I'm using. Odd that they >> don't >> in Mozilla. I imagine it's just a minor bug to fix. >> > Hmm. Mac Firefox 0.9.3 hangs every time I access the phpWS 0.9.3-3 > login > page with index.php?module=users&norm_user_op=signup . Hangs. Have to > Force Quit. Have you had any similar experience? Nope. Theme problem? I usually edit my users mod templates as well so maybe I've changed something to make it work. Try http://www.aegisdesign.co.uk/index.php?module=users&norm_user_op=signup ...or maybe your Mozilla/Firefox installs are messed up on your Mac? Maybe the Library files are a bit funky. Shaun aegis design - http://www.aegisdesign.co.uk |
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From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2004-08-12 12:05:21
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> At one point the candidate for inclusion was HyperTextArea which > generated much more compact code than HTMLArea. See > http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypertextarea/ Yes, I had a lot of problems with it and the developer was quieter on the sf forums than I am ;) Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu http://ess.appstate.edu |
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From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2004-08-13 15:31:05
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On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:35, Shaun Murray wrote: > I'll add this one to the list as well... > > http://www.fckeditor.net/ Any reason not to have more than one? htmlarea basically works with the getJavascript function call. I can see if I can get this one to work as well. -- Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu http://ess.appstate.edu |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-08-13 16:01:57
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On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 08:25, Matthew McNaney wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:35, Shaun Murray wrote: > > I'll add this one to the list as well... > > > > http://www.fckeditor.net/ > > Any reason not to have more than one? htmlarea basically works with the > getJavascript function call. Matt, None at all. Lenya took this approach also. They make many editors available. http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/editors/htmlform.html http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/editors/1form.html http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/editors/bxeng.html http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/editors/kupu.html http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/editors/xopus.html -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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