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From: Bob T <bo...@el...> - 2002-05-10 20:11:45
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I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure and less participation, not more. This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should look at the activity on other threads for this list. See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of mailing lists. BTW, There is a forum, http://www.phorum.org, that has built in support for a email-to-forum interface. On 10 May 2002 at 7:45, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 07:24, Philip McAllister wrote: > > You can set up a newsgroup and a mailing list and then run some gateway > > software to forward usenet posts to the mailing list and vice versa. > > Something like Mailman ( > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/features.html ) or news2mail would > > do the trick. > > > > If people *still* prefer web access, then there's always the option of > > using one of the many web-based usenet services out there. > > Philip, > This is an ideal solution. ASU can setup a nntp server (e.g. inn), and > enable Mailman's news gateway. > > Note: I don't think the nntp server should be connected to usenet. > > -- > Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > http://leaf-project.org/ > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers ------- End of forwarded message ------- |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-10 20:39:33
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 13:20, Bob T wrote: > I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! > place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple > projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how > to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put > support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure > and less participation, not more. > > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > mailing lists. Bob, Brian has already stated that the forums will not close, or move to the SF hosted mailing lists. Since he is the phpWebSite project lead, I consider this matter closed. However, mailing lists do work. 3600+ messages posted to the LEAF project user list this year. 1000+ messages posted to the LEAF project devel list this year. https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=13751 -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Philip M. <ph...@li...> - 2002-05-10 20:53:49
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 21:20, Bob T wrote: > I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! > place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple > projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how > to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put > support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure > and less participation, not more. I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > mailing lists. Partly due to the fact that the mails aren't threaded properly (note that anything prepended by 'Re:' is marked as a separate thread) and that the nature of the developer list is not based around discussion. :-) I've seen many mailing lists and newsgroups that spark plenty of discussion. It's mainly due to the people frequenting them rather than the medium itself. :-) I'm not knocking the concept of forums as a whole, and I'm not suggesting they be ditched. However, this thread has highlighted an issue that people obviously feel strongly about. The only thing I am advocating is that multiple points of access to the same discussion will reach more people and encourage greater participation. If Phorum does indeed have an email interface (in fact, it appears to have quite a well designed one with mailing list support), then there's no reason why that cannot theoretically be tied into a mailing list which can be tied into a newsgroup, thus catering for everyone :-) -- Philip McAllister <ph...@li...> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy" - Spike Milligan Milligan |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-10 23:14:15
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 13:53, Philip McAllister wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 21:20, Bob T wrote: > > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > > mailing lists. > > Partly due to the fact that the mails aren't threaded properly (note > that anything prepended by 'Re:' is marked as a separate thread) and > that the nature of the developer list is not based around discussion. > :-) Philip, You're correct. The SF mail archive is still beta quality. To see an example of a proper mailing list archive go here: http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user%40lists.sourceforge.net/ -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Jeremy A. <ja...@tu...> - 2002-05-11 07:28:56
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> I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this stats system also. -- Jeremy Agee phpWebSite Development Team (http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) Appalachian State University phpEasyAdmin (http://easyadmin.sourceforge.net) |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-11 13:04:34
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On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of > the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already > take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this > stats system also. Jeremy, Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing list archive finishes its beta period. -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-11 13:54:33
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Jeremy, I forgot the exception to the rule below. CVS commits lists are handled differently to ensure that double counting doesn't happen. I infer from this information that you may be able to get phpWS cvs commits counted by opening a syncmail cvs commits list. Just another plug for a phpWS cvs commits list. On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:05, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: > > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > > > > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of > > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of > > the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already > > take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this > > stats system also. > > Jeremy, > Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as > forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do > this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing list > archive finishes its beta period. -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Jeremy A. <ja...@tu...> - 2002-05-17 11:34:11
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Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! > Jeremy, > I forgot the exception to the rule below. CVS commits lists are handled > differently to ensure that double counting doesn't happen. I infer from > this information that you may be able to get phpWS cvs commits counted > by opening a syncmail cvs commits list. Just another plug for a phpWS > cvs commits list. > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:05, Mike Noyes wrote: >> On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: >> > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure >> > > away. >> > >> > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of >> > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in >> > the top of the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs >> > at SF so we already take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The >> > forums average into this stats system also. >> >> Jeremy, >> Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as >> forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do >> this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing >> list archive finishes its beta period. -- Jeremy Agee phpWebSite Development Team (http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) Appalachian State University phpEasyAdmin (http://easyadmin.sourceforge.net) |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-17 13:06:58
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On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 04:33, Jeremy Agee wrote: > Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this > comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! Jeremy, This is great news. :-) After you get syncmail setup, you'll need to open a SF support request to enable the commits list. By default they are disabled. Also, I'd mention that you're not using the SF cvs server, and you'd like to have commit messages count toward project stats. ref. last paragraph in: Introduction to SourceForge.net Project CVS Services https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1 -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-18 15:16:29
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On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 04:33, Jeremy Agee wrote: > Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this > comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! Jeremy, The SF staff just created a new document for syncmail. https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=772&group_id=1 -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-06-24 15:42:19
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On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 04:33, Jeremy Agee wrote: > Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this > comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! Jeremy, Have you had time to implement this yet? I don't see a commits list on SF. -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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