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From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2001-11-30 13:24:04
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For those unaware phpBB is working on a CMS front end for their BB system. Here is an interesting post of what they one person wanted in it along with some of my comments: --------------------------------------------------------- News Print News option Email a friend option Add a comment about News User posts news, news wait in a queue, moderator approves certain news, approved news appear on certain page. ------> So far we do this The ablity to take user submitted news and point it to be displayed on the correct page. Make all the seprate "news" pages (i.e. hardware, software, cars, etc) run off of phpBB 2.0 user groups. ------> Brian and I talked about this yesterday. Basically we could attach certain topics to certain groups. Should work in the new version Ability to add pictures to news posts, resize them etc. Ability to set the order news appears on the site ------> I would like to see this as well Polls (of course building upon the phpbb system) - Part of phpBB 2.0 ------> Ryan had some good improvements to polls but we could add more eventually Calendar private and public events name, time, venue, contact, description, type of event (list of categories from drop down?), price? Calendar Archive Mass delete events by user, group, date, etc. The calendar is viewable by month, week, and or day. Permissions to add events to the calendar are given by User Group and Individual. Public events are viewable to everyone, while Private events are visible only to members of the user group it was posted for. A modulefor the front page that allows you to see upcoming events for the week and or day. (if your logged in you see your group events here too, if not you see only public events.) The ability to make events reaccuring on a daily, weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, or anual basis. (You get the point.) The ability to put e-mail notification on an event, and the ability for users to decide whether or not they wish to recieve event alerts. They should be able to decide this on a user group level, so they can choose to ignore alerts from user group #1 but still get all of the alerts for user group #2. -------> This is either built in or planned. I will not work on calendar however until the core is finished. Downloads Stats on DLs Number of downloads, click counting, file size, option of screen shot display, categories & subcategories, user comments, rate download, top 10 files -------> I've heard this before, in fact one of you guys or gals said they might work on this Forum Banner Management number of views, click thoughs, number of views or click thoughs it has before it becomes inactive -------> Probably should be a mod. Would like to see this taken out of core (it won't be in the rewrite) but more flexible. Language Support Review System Movies, Books, CD's etc. -------> Mod again User Accounts - A lot of this is already supported by phpBB 2.0 maybe change the theme, as in phpBB, but also change the colors to one's preference -------> In the new core. Working on making this VERY secure and flexible. Online layout customisation (limited to very basic changes, otherwise it would be far too hard to make) -------> Bleh Don't like this idea. Not worth the hassle. Logging in on any page -------> In the new core. Site search Easy interface as to not confuse the user -------> Done Templates (Already in phpBB2) -------> In the new core with plans to make as flexible as the skills of the developer. Alex is developing a theming mechanism as well I think. Admin Tools fully templatable (system already in place ) extensive News-System combined phpbb/pp User management Some or all portal functions accessible from an integrated control panel -------> Again, new core except the BB (using the "drop in" modular format of the v2 admin panel) Administrator has the option to set "extra" viewing options (for when users are browsing the board via the portal-ie. don't show the page-header, etc.) -------> In the new core currently Online content management through forms etc. (another very obvious one), with bbcode or similar (ppcode) User Groups - In phpBB 2.0 certain sections of the page available to only usergroups, so a certain group can get access to certain areas, where another group could have access to different areas, or even a little overlapping of other groups. certain groups have access to post a new topic other groups only have access to post a reply ----> Can be don with the new core but would have to be built into the module menu management Add categories, link on right or left side of site -----> Block code already done by Mike File language Have an option to say a file, article, can be found in english, german, french etc. basically be able to turn on and off a link that translates the article (templates?) -------> A few of you have asked about this and I guess we should pow wow on it. IMO dynamic language slows down the site. However we have thought about compromises and new ideas to make languages easier to use. Statictics Public stats topic (thread/news/picture/any item) X times seen, X timesdownloaded, X times commented, X timesprinted. Top 10 of those, ie. Private stats only for admins. Dtailed stats on page views, user's browsers, OSes, etc. Also a user rating (who did what most). -------> Mod based Other Misc Features Browsing forum from portal (with portal menu bars etc still visible) Feedback form also has to mail the admins all feedbacks (could utilise hidden boards in forum for displaying) -------> Possible, again mod based Uploading of attachments, or images, but with per-directory, per-user access customisation Ability to run without dependance on forums. Shoutbox much like a chat, does not require login, just type your name and msg and submit. Last shouts appear on the homepage. Nice way for dropping a quick note for other online members. -----> Interesting, could be abused but we have some ideas to build abuse protection into the new core. User last seen (or last logged in) a list of 20 (30, 50, 100) users, sorted by time of login, and more ------> Good idea, I will go ahead and implement a time stamp so a module can access something like this. Image Gallery Ability to upload images resize them if need be to create an image gallery -------> We have 2 galleries I believe. Jeremy is working on the resizing code I think. Link System Ability to add links to a link page, seprated by categories -------> Yes Web Links must die. Very old Nuke code needs to be put out of its misery. Any developer that wants to recode this, be our guest. PDA version of portal Low Graphics version of portal --------> Should be theme based, no biggie Some good stuff overall. Please comment on what you like, what you don't like etc. Matt Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Email: ma...@tu... URL: http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Phone: 828-262-6493 |
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From: Karsten D. <k.d...@tu...> - 2001-11-30 14:20:10
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:19:31AM -0500, Matthew McNaney wrote: [...] > Banner Management > > number of views, click thoughs, number of views or click thoughs it has > before it becomes inactive > > -------> Probably should be a mod. Would like to see this taken out > of core> (it won't be in the rewrite) but more flexible. I am working on fixing this a little right now. Since the call to the banner function will be moved to the theme anyway, we can as well make the thing a module. I will look at this and hereby volunteer to do the rewrite :-) Before that I will fix the current state, to make sure the next version at least has bug less... Karsten -- Why do we have to hide from the police, daddy? Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. ----------------------------- mailto:k.d...@tu... w³: http://www.k-fish.de/ gpg: http://www.k-fish.de/mykeys.gpg |
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From: D C. <can...@ui...> - 2001-11-30 19:33:27
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Is the point of this post just to ask what ideas should be on the todo list for phpWS, or is this implying that there is some interest in trying to make phpBB work more closely with phpWS? I would certainly be in favor of seeing phpWS and phpBB become closely-knitted projects. But perhaps I read too much into this posting? Anyway, a couple of comments below... On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 08:19, Matthew McNaney wrote: > For those unaware phpBB is working on a CMS front end for their BB system. > News > > Ability to add pictures to news posts, resize them etc. > Ability to set the order news appears on the site > ------> I would like to see this as well Haven't looked at the very latest releases of phpWS, and I'm not sure what the most generic/flexible way of doing this is, but I'd like to see it be possible to replace the standard topic icons with pictures, and then also be able to have attachments (pictures, WP documents, whatever) for each news article. The former would make our media relations department happy and the latter would reduce disk-usage problems caused by our university-wide mailing lists. > Calendar > private and public events > > -------> This is either built in or planned. I will not work on calendar > however until the core is finished. Calendaring is of course the big deal a lot of places. I think it would be great if we could somehow make HORDE applications (IMP & Kronolith in particular) with phpWS since they already have such a good head start in calendaring and mail. For example, I think it would be great if the "mail to a friend" option could just pop open an IMP compose window that was pre-populated with the article that you were forwarding. I think the main thing that people are seeing with all the different attempts at "groupware" are that no one open-source group can do everything and do it well. Unfortunately, the best of breed applications have wildly different foundations. If we could find a way to make a few of the major ones talk to each other (sharing authentication sessions if nothing else), we'd be making a huge amount of progress. And that diversity can still be a positive because if there's something I want to write, I can choose to make it a phpWS plug-in, a HORDE application, or whatever else makes sense. I hate to ask a question that will generate too much traffic on this list, but maybe it would be worth discussing what _other_ web applications people are using that would benefit from being able to interact with phpWS. That might give us an idea if there are any projects that should be seriously considered for joint development. While commenting on features, we have one functionality concern that we're looking at in choosing a CMS... The first is that we have a need to have a lot of sub-sites. For example, we have our university-wide web site, and then we have the departmental sites that want to have their own content. It would be ideal if there was a way (with themes, or some kind of sharing between phpWS installs) to allow a user to post an article on the business school "portal" and have it optionally appear on the university-wide portal page. We have a need for similar functionality in an event calendar (to display Business School events vs. university-wide events). With all that in mind, I do want to say that although development doesn't appear to be moving as quickly in phpWS as some other CMS'es, I still am a strong fan because it seems that this is one of the few projects that is really working to build infrastructure into the system, rather than just sheer quantities of features. Sorry to be so long-winded. A happy weekend to all. DC |
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From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2001-11-30 22:31:17
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> Is the point of this post just to ask what ideas should be on the todo > list for phpWS, or is this implying that there is some interest in > trying to make phpBB work more closely with phpWS? I have nothing but respect for phpBB. However I am not requesting we work with their team. They are more well known, therefore I think if they were interested they would have contacted us. I just used this post as an example of what people want now that content management has matured. > Anyway, a couple of comments below... >> Ability to add pictures to news posts, resize them etc. >> Ability to set the order news appears on the site >> ------> I would like to see this as well > > Haven't looked at the very latest releases of phpWS, and I'm not sure > what the most generic/flexible way of doing this is, but I'd like to > see it be possible to replace the standard topic icons with pictures, > and then also be able to have attachments (pictures, WP documents, > whatever) for each news article. Agreed. I think a lot of people are in the Slashdot mind set of small news opening to bigger news with a topic pic. While that may be good for some, others may want more flexibility. I am not advocating which is better, but I do think developers should allow the users to determine how far they want to take the functionality. >> Calendar >> private and public events > Calendaring is of course the big deal a lot of places. I think it > would be great if we could somehow make HORDE applications (IMP & > Kronolith in particular) with phpWS since they already have such a good > head start in calendaring and mail. For example, I think it would be > great if the "mail to a friend" option could just pop open an IMP > compose window that was pre-populated with the article that you were > forwarding. You will understand that calendar is a sensitive subject with me. ;^) And calendar WILL be better in its next incarnation. I am not sure what direction it will go in the rewrite (most likely some group/user functionality) but I still like event calendars more than groupware (which are done quite well by others). That said, I would like options to install different calendar modules on phpwebsite. But others need to create that option. I would like phpwebsite to be popular enough that project developers would WANT to create a module for phpwebsite on their own. We can't develop all the things people want. What we can try to do is make phpwebsite appealing enough for others to develop for it. That is what we are concentrating on. Not features, but flexibility, modularity, and ease of use. > I think the main thing that people are seeing with all the different > attempts at "groupware" are that no one open-source group can do > everything and do it well. Right, so phpwebsite needs to be flexible enough that others can fill in the blanks. That is what we want. > Unfortunately, the best of breed > applications have wildly different foundations. If we could find a way > to make a few of the major ones talk to each other (sharing > authentication sessions if nothing else), we'd be making a huge amount > of progress. And that diversity can still be a positive because if > there's something I want to write, I can choose to make it a phpWS > plug-in, a HORDE application, or whatever else makes sense. Agreed. Future incarnations will have all that you are mentioning built in. Modules will be able to communicate and work with one another seamlessly through the core. > While commenting on features, we have one functionality concern that > we're looking at in choosing a CMS... The first is that we have a need > to have a lot of sub-sites. For example, we have our university-wide > web site, and then we have the departmental sites that want to have > their own content. It would be ideal if there was a way (with themes, > or some kind of sharing between phpWS installs) to allow a user to post > an article on the business school "portal" and have it optionally > appear on the university-wide portal page. We have a need for similar > functionality in an event calendar (to display Business School events > vs. university-wide events). Funny you should mention this. We have the exact same need and we are in the process of developing "hub technology." Sites will share information with one another to make a community of web sites. I will let Brian or Jeremy comment more on this because they are building it. > With all that in mind, I do want to say that although development > doesn't appear to be moving as quickly in phpWS as some other CMS'es, I > still am a strong fan because it seems that this is one of the few > projects that is really working to build infrastructure into the > system, rather than just sheer quantities of features. Well thanks that is what we are aiming for. A few quick points: 1) I have a new position so I working more directly on phpwebsite now. 2) We have a couple new developers that are doing some great things, 3) The students that code on the project are in exam hell right now. You will probably see more of Adam, Jeremy, John, Steven, and Ryan once they get done. 4) We ebb and flow with the university calendar (i.e. more gets done during the breaks). Have a good weekend everyone! Matt ----------- Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Email: ma...@tu... URL: http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Phone: 828-262-6493 ICQ: 141057403 |
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