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From: Bob T <bo...@el...> - 2002-10-09 17:22:04
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Around about the topic of style sheets... Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules the users ability to change the display size of the font, to make reading easier (for us old guys)... I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that it does not have to be this way!! You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... You get control over relative size and leave the user with the ability to determine what size, for them, should be considered "normal" I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes for fonts. Bob T |
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From: Steven L. <st...@tu...> - 2002-10-09 17:27:27
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+1 Font sizes definately should not be set in stone. I know when I go home to visit my parents they always have the font huge and I like to be able to make it smaller. > Around about the topic of style sheets... > > Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules the > users ability to change the display size of the font, to make reading > easier (for us old guys)... > > I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that it > does not have to be this way!! > > You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... > > You get control over relative size and leave the user with the ability > to determine what size, for them, should be considered "normal" > > I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes for > fonts. > > Bob T > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers -- Steven Levin Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828.262.2431 PhpWebsite Development Team URL: http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Email: st...@tu... |
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From: Adam M. <ad...@tu...> - 2002-10-09 17:28:32
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I did not know you could do that :) That sounds like a great idea to me...+1 here. Adam > Around about the topic of style sheets... > > Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules the > users ability to change the display size of the font, to make reading > easier (for us old guys)... > > I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that it > does not have to be this way!! > > You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... > > You get control over relative size and leave the user with the ability > to determine what size, for them, should be considered "normal" > > I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes for > fonts. > > Bob T > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers --------------------------------- Adam Morton Developer - Web Technology Group Appalachian State University http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu |
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From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2002-10-09 17:31:36
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+1 for what my votes count as well. I didn't know you could do percentages. Don. On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Adam Morton wrote: > > I did not know you could do that :) That sounds like a great idea to > me...+1 here. > > Adam > > > Around about the topic of style sheets... > > > > Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules the > > users ability to change the display size of the font, to make reading > > easier (for us old guys)... > > > > I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that it > > does not have to be this way!! > > > > You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... > > > > You get control over relative size and leave the user with the ability > > to determine what size, for them, should be considered "normal" > > > > I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes for > > fonts. > > > > Bob T > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > > Php...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > > --------------------------------- > Adam Morton > Developer - Web Technology Group > Appalachian State University > http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > |
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From: Scott R. <sc...@sc...> - 2002-10-09 19:03:00
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CSS also provides for layout without using tables. I have put together a new style that uses no tables. It displays reasonably well in IE on both Windows and mac, but I've had less luck with Opera and Konquerer on Linux. Scott On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 01:31 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > +1 for what my votes count as well. I didn't know you could do > percentages. > > Don. > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Adam Morton wrote: > >> >> I did not know you could do that :) That sounds like a great idea to >> me...+1 here. >> >> Adam >> >>> Around about the topic of style sheets... >>> >>> Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules the >>> users ability to change the display size of the font, to make reading >>> easier (for us old guys)... >>> >>> I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that it >>> does not have to be this way!! >>> >>> You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... >>> >>> You get control over relative size and leave the user with the ability >>> to determine what size, for them, should be considered "normal" >>> >>> I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes >>> for >>> fonts. >>> >>> Bob T >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >>> Welcome to geek heaven. >>> http://thinkgeek.com/sf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >>> Php...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Adam Morton >> Developer - Web Technology Group >> Appalachian State University >> http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >> Welcome to geek heaven. >> http://thinkgeek.com/sf >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > |
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From: Steven L. <st...@tu...> - 2002-10-10 02:21:19
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If you would not mind posting that I would like to see it. I guess as just an attachment to the list. > CSS also provides for layout without using tables. I have put together > a new style that uses no tables. It displays reasonably well in IE on > both Windows and mac, but I've had less luck with Opera and Konquerer on > Linux. > > Scott > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 01:31 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > >> +1 for what my votes count as well. I didn't know you could do >> percentages. >> >> Don. >> >> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Adam Morton wrote: >> >>> >>> I did not know you could do that :) That sounds like a great idea to >>> me...+1 here. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>>> Around about the topic of style sheets... >>>> >>>> Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This over-rules >>>> the users ability to change the display size of the font, to make >>>> reading easier (for us old guys)... >>>> >>>> I just started learning about css and discovered to my delight that >>>> it does not have to be this way!! >>>> >>>> You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... >>>> >>>> You get control over relative size and leave the user with the >>>> ability to determine what size, for them, should be considered >>>> "normal" >>>> >>>> I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed sizes >>>> for >>>> fonts. >>>> >>>> Bob T >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >>>> Welcome to geek heaven. >>>> http://thinkgeek.com/sf >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >>>> Php...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Adam Morton >>> Developer - Web Technology Group >>> Appalachian State University >>> http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >>> Welcome to geek heaven. >>> http://thinkgeek.com/sf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >>> Php...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >> Welcome to geek heaven. >> http://thinkgeek.com/sf >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers -- Steven Levin Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828.262.2431 PhpWebsite Development Team URL: http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Email: st...@tu... |
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From: ProjetObjet <li...@pr...> - 2002-10-09 20:23:16
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Hello developers,
May I introduce myself in your css discussion. I like and appreciate so muc=
h
phpwebsite that I feel like I have to express myself concerning this specia=
l
development aspect.
As a graphic designer, I feel very much concern about font-sizes.
In my case I prefer going for absolute size in ".px" in theme design.
If someone needs to scale the text size he/she can do it through the
following browser View/Zoom options :
------------------
Under Windows OS:=20
Internet Explorer 6
Netscape 6=20
Mozilla 1.0
Opera 6.0 =20
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Under Mac OS:
Internet Explorer 5
Netscape 6
Mozilla 1.0
I don't know for other=A0OSs. Could not test this.
If someone could confirm for other Platforms...?
When you need to work with absolute size for left and right colums and
banners, the design always behave much better when used with absolute font
sizes in ".px"
From my experience on Mac and PC strictly regarding type, you need just two
style sheets. One for all the browsers and one just for Netcape 4 under
Windows. Absolute font sizes are ALWAYS smaller in Netcape 4 under Windows.
A Java Script in the header would be better I think since the browser could
cache the style sheet at least for the session.
This one below is not doing the right job because it is an old script that
calls for 3 different css but I guess someone familiar with Java could
easily modify it to suit the need for two distinct css. Fist the script mus=
t
check for the the Platform (Win or Mac or Other...) then if it is Netscape =
4
or all the other ones.
<script language=3D"JavaScript"><!--
var newNav=3Dnavigator.appName;
var newPlatf=3Dnavigator.platform;
var stringPlatf=3DnewPlatf.substring(0,3)
if (stringPlatf=3D=3D"Win") {
if (newNav=3D=3D"Microsoft Internet Explorer") {
document.write('<link rel=3D"stylesheet"
href=3D"http://phpwebsite/css_explorer_win.css">')
} else {
document.write('<link rel=3D"stylesheet"
href=3D"http://phpwebsite/css_netscape_win.css">')
}
} else {
document.write('<link rel=3D"stylesheet"
href=3D"http://phpwebsite/css_mac.css">')
}
// -->
</script>
TYPE:
I always call prefer and use Verdana over any other one because of this:
See the designs for Arail/Verdana/Trebuchet at 100%:
http://www.malouin.qc.ca/design/en/images/type/type_100.gif
See the blocking and problematic red zones (zoom):
http://www.malouin.qc.ca/design/en/images/type/type_zoominproblems.gif
Another great font design for the Web is Georgia although the X-Height is
BIG. It is a little more difficult to use but well designed.
Am I off track with all this?
Does these toughts are of any help to you great developers?
Best Regards,
Yves Malouin
http://www.malouin.qc.ca
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From: ProjetObjet <li...@pr...> - 2002-10-10 03:25:18
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Hi Bob, I understand why you could not scale or zoom the texts. I made a mistake in the list. Internet Explorer on PC does not have this option. I just updated the list of browsers that support the scalling/zooming option. This is referring to my website (www.malouin.qc.ca/design/en) style sheet where I exclusively uses absolute font sizes (in pixels .px) ------------------ Under Windows 98: Netscape 6 Mozilla 1.0 Opera 6.0 ------------------ Under Mac OS: Internet Explorer 5 Netscape 6 Mozilla 1.0 If anyone wishes to add to the list? Best regards, Yves Malouin |
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From: Darrel <da...@ii...> - 2002-10-11 19:27:51
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Hi Bob, If you check out the W3C docs [1] on the subject they suggest to use the "em" and "ex" units for relative sizing. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html I'm very new here, so I don't expect my vote to count for much, but I would recommend using relative font sizing instead of fixed. More and more people are starting to use non-PC devices to browse the web, TV's, PDAs, WebPads. Darrel Miller > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...] On > Behalf Of Bob T > Sent: October 9, 2002 1:22 PM > To: php...@li... > Subject: [Phpwebsite-developers] Relative vs Fixed font size > > > Around about the topic of style sheets... > > Most sites use fixed font sizes in style sheets. This > over-rules the users ability to change the display size of > the font, to make reading easier (for us old guys)... > > I just started learning about css and discovered to my > delight that it does not have to be this way!! > > You can use: font-size:120% , font-size:90%, font-size:200% etc... > > You get control over relative size and leave the user with > the ability to determine what size, for them, should be > considered "normal" > > I hope that theme creators will use relative instead of fixed > sizes for fonts. > > Bob T > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > |
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