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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 20:30:52
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My opinion is everything should go through Brian but we do need someone to finally make decisions on everything thats being discussed, I really don't care who does it as long as its being done. I'd rather piss someone off then sit around waiting for someone to say something :) And now Brian says something :)....anyways...thats my luck.... I'd still rather have a meeting of the group before March 30th...Myself I'd rather have one tomorrow night but I know thats probably not possible.... > That decision is fine with me. > > HOWEVER, I would like to ask for a clarification. My understanding is > that Appalachian State University owns phpWebsite. > > In my mind, while suggestions, support, etc. should always be welcome, > someone (or several) authorized by Appalachian State should in fact > make decisions once they think they've received enough input. > > In any event, I'd like to know who has the authority to make the > decisions, etc. > > I'm perfectly happy to have Jason stepup and take charge on this issue. > (THANK YOU, JASON!) > > But, it's probably a good idea to know how decisions will be made > before something more contentious comes up. > > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of > Jason Campbell > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:47 PM > To: php...@li... > Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > Well, if you want a decision made then here ya go. We're using IRC on > EFNet. I can setup a channel, I have friends with botnets that will > gladly help keep the channel from getting taken over by someone. > > We should have a meeting this week to get all the ideas on the table. > After that we should then decide what to start with doing first from > the list of ideas thats formed. > > We'll need someone to take notes of the meeting or log the whole > session of the channel. Anyone good at taking notes??? > > After that is done we should then have another meeting a few days after > that to formulate what to start doing first. This meeting would be for > the dev team only to write in stone what we want to do with the project > and WHAT to do first. I.E. Redo the database, leave it alone, use > ADODB or PEAR or whatever, you get what I mean. > > I also run my own web hosting company (Xplozive Media Technologies) and > have my own servers (two) at my disposal running off my own bandwidth > using FreeBSD, so I have no trouble hosting anything that we need for > the project. > > This is what I think should happen so if no one has anything else to > say about this, this is how it should be. > > You wanted a decision so there it is.... :) > > Jason Campbell > Xplozive Media Technologies > www.xplozivemedia.com > phpWebSite Developer > >> Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationThis is my first time posting >> to the developers list and I hope you don't mind. I've been watching >> all the list since phpWebSite began and I must commend everyone on the >> developers list on your civility, it doesn't happen too often from >> other projects I watched. I feel a sense that everyone is trying to >> stay that way as much as possible and that is good but it also seems >> that everyone might be going a bit to far and not wanting to step on >> someones toes. Everyone seems to have ideas that they bring to the >> table and then say "whatever the group decides". We,you,us, they, >> whoever need to get the focus and direction back to the project. I >> think a chat-whiteboard for meeting is great and I agree with Geoff >> that it should be done some place neutral, but to spend a week on >> discussing on where to have discussions... well you know. I guess >> what I would like to see is a "leader" make some very radical >> decisions based on input from everyone involved and then we follow >> that course. I definately do not understand all the discussions on >> this list, but I do see what looks like a project becoming bogged >> down. I apologize if I over stepped my bounds, but I believe this >> project is VERY exciting and has HUGE potential and I don't want to >> see it lose out. >> >> Mike windsor >> >> >> From: Geoff Staples >> To: php...@li... >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:36 AM >> Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >> >> >> I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third >> party service. I offered to setup a chat service on one of my >> servers. Now, someone else has offered to host one as well. So, >> when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone >> else. If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, >> we are then tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or >> move on for another reason. Some may offer the services of their >> employer which could be revolked at any time. I own my servers and >> they are in a NOC, but that is a small consolation. So, I suggest >> that we use a third party service such as communityzero (which I >> haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat, >> whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we >> don't have to be concerned about them leaving the project. I'm >> still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But, >> again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use >> something hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool. Just >> as a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar >> is really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, >> data flow diagrams, or whatever. >> >> Geoff >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: php...@li... >> [mailto:php...@li...]On >> Behalf Of Aaron Adams Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM >> To: php...@li... >> Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >> >> >> >> Hey guys, >> >> Check out http://communityzero.com >> >> It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. >> Not only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and >> manage lists, but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can >> personalize your group to serve most purposes. (The interface is >> fairly intuitive as well). --- >> Aaron Adams >> >> >> >> From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...> >> Reply-To: php...@li... >> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600 >> To: <php...@li...> >> Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >> >> >> >> >> I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. >> >> IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one >> of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: >> >> What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, >> and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? >> >> I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at >> a white board together on occasion. >> >> Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? >> >> Geoff > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Geoff S. <Ge...@Ho...> - 2001-03-26 20:25:59
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That decision is fine with me. HOWEVER, I would like to ask for a clarification. My understanding is that Appalachian State University owns phpWebsite. In my mind, while suggestions, support, etc. should always be welcome, someone (or several) authorized by Appalachian State should in fact make decisions once they think they've received enough input. In any event, I'd like to know who has the authority to make the decisions, etc. I'm perfectly happy to have Jason stepup and take charge on this issue. (THANK YOU, JASON!) But, it's probably a good idea to know how decisions will be made before something more contentious comes up. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: php...@li... [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Jason Campbell Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:47 PM To: php...@li... Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication Well, if you want a decision made then here ya go. We're using IRC on EFNet. I can setup a channel, I have friends with botnets that will gladly help keep the channel from getting taken over by someone. We should have a meeting this week to get all the ideas on the table. After that we should then decide what to start with doing first from the list of ideas thats formed. We'll need someone to take notes of the meeting or log the whole session of the channel. Anyone good at taking notes??? After that is done we should then have another meeting a few days after that to formulate what to start doing first. This meeting would be for the dev team only to write in stone what we want to do with the project and WHAT to do first. I.E. Redo the database, leave it alone, use ADODB or PEAR or whatever, you get what I mean. I also run my own web hosting company (Xplozive Media Technologies) and have my own servers (two) at my disposal running off my own bandwidth using FreeBSD, so I have no trouble hosting anything that we need for the project. This is what I think should happen so if no one has anything else to say about this, this is how it should be. You wanted a decision so there it is.... :) Jason Campbell Xplozive Media Technologies www.xplozivemedia.com phpWebSite Developer > Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationThis is my first time posting > to the developers list and I hope you don't mind. I've been watching > all the list since phpWebSite began and I must commend everyone on the > developers list on your civility, it doesn't happen too often from > other projects I watched. I feel a sense that everyone is trying to > stay that way as much as possible and that is good but it also seems > that everyone might be going a bit to far and not wanting to step on > someones toes. Everyone seems to have ideas that they bring to the > table and then say "whatever the group decides". We,you,us, they, > whoever need to get the focus and direction back to the project. I > think a chat-whiteboard for meeting is great and I agree with Geoff > that it should be done some place neutral, but to spend a week on > discussing on where to have discussions... well you know. I guess > what I would like to see is a "leader" make some very radical decisions > based on input from everyone involved and then we follow that course. > I definately do not understand all the discussions on this list, but I > do see what looks like a project becoming bogged down. I apologize if > I over stepped my bounds, but I believe this project is VERY exciting > and has HUGE potential and I don't want to see it lose out. > > Mike windsor > > > From: Geoff Staples > To: php...@li... > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third > party service. I offered to setup a chat service on one of my > servers. Now, someone else has offered to host one as well. So, > when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone > else. If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, > we are then tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or > move on for another reason. Some may offer the services of their > employer which could be revolked at any time. I own my servers and > they are in a NOC, but that is a small consolation. So, I suggest > that we use a third party service such as communityzero (which I > haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat, > whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we > don't have to be concerned about them leaving the project. I'm > still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But, > again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use > something hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool. Just as > a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar is > really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, > data flow diagrams, or whatever. > > Geoff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf > Of Aaron Adams Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM > To: php...@li... > Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > > Hey guys, > > Check out http://communityzero.com > > It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. > Not only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and > manage lists, but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can > personalize your group to serve most purposes. (The interface is > fairly intuitive as well). --- > Aaron Adams > > > > From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...> > Reply-To: php...@li... > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600 > To: <php...@li...> > Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > > > I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. > > IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one > of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: > > What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, > and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? > > I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a > white board together on occasion. > > Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? > > Geoff _______________________________________________ Phpwebsite-developers mailing list Php...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Alain F. <al...@va...> - 2001-03-26 20:23:19
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Hi, There is a very nice translation system for PHP around that is called stPHP. It can use one or several text files as a string table, or DBM style 'database' files. As for a template system, I really love the "Smarty" template system. It is the fastest and most flexible I have yet seen. The combination of these two systems is as dynamic as dynamic can get ! :) Relevant links: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stphp http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Smarty/ Talk to you later ! |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 20:00:29
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That method is actually the same one that PHP-Nuke uses :) I was looking at the code of that a few weeks ago and thats how they do multi-language. > Karsten, your idea is GREAT! I would have never thought of creating > this scheme as another language and leaving the existing TRANSLATE > statements in the code, which will make it much faster for single > language users. > > As we code, the group needs to remember your caveats for not breaking > the translations. > > --Todd > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Todd O. <to...@da...> - 2001-03-26 19:47:44
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Karsten, your idea is GREAT! I would have never thought of creating this scheme as another language and leaving the existing TRANSLATE statements in the code, which will make it much faster for single language users. As we code, the group needs to remember your caveats for not breaking the translations. --Todd |
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From: Karsten D. <k.d...@tu...> - 2001-03-26 18:44:19
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:41:50PM +0200, Karsten Dambekalns wrote: > impact on speed. But I would use a different scheme. I would include the > appropriate language file, which would contain statements like > $TRANSLATE["xxx"]=3D"fgdsfhsk"; OK, I did that. I am able to produce an appropriate sed file and the corresponding *.lang files. > This way we could introduce this very easily into the existing code base.= In > fact I am going to code this, and make it available as one more "language" > when running makedistro.sh. Does anyone object on this? I think we should= at > least try this... Here I have been too fast. It is in fact easy to let sed do the work. But there are 2 cases: 1. We have something like echo "TRANSLATE[[Login]]" This could be replaced by echo "".$TRANSLATE["Login"]."" very easily, and all should be well. But this would break if there was one statement like echo TRANSLATE[[something]] (note the missing quotes) which is unlikely (I think) but would come out of the process as echo "$TRANSLATE["something"]" (note the wrong quotes) All in all not very nice, but it would work (read: until we have a better solution) 2. We have something like <?php ... ?> <p>TRANSLATE[[Login]]</p> <?php ... ?> Now this breaks about everything. This doesn't work. Sigh. Please consider my steeping forward to be grinded to a unwanted halt. That is - unless someone has a very bright idea... besides seperating code and presentation very cleanly. Regards, Karsten --=20 Why do we have to hide from the police, daddy? Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. ----------------------------- mailto:k.d...@tu... w=B3: http://www.k-fish.de/ gpg: http://www.k-fish.de/mykeys.gpg |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 18:38:09
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Well, if you want a decision made then here ya go. We're using IRC on EFNet. I can setup a channel, I have friends with botnets that will gladly help keep the channel from getting taken over by someone. We should have a meeting this week to get all the ideas on the table. After that we should then decide what to start with doing first from the list of ideas thats formed. We'll need someone to take notes of the meeting or log the whole session of the channel. Anyone good at taking notes??? After that is done we should then have another meeting a few days after that to formulate what to start doing first. This meeting would be for the dev team only to write in stone what we want to do with the project and WHAT to do first. I.E. Redo the database, leave it alone, use ADODB or PEAR or whatever, you get what I mean. I also run my own web hosting company (Xplozive Media Technologies) and have my own servers (two) at my disposal running off my own bandwidth using FreeBSD, so I have no trouble hosting anything that we need for the project. This is what I think should happen so if no one has anything else to say about this, this is how it should be. You wanted a decision so there it is.... :) Jason Campbell Xplozive Media Technologies www.xplozivemedia.com phpWebSite Developer > Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationThis is my first time posting > to the developers list and I hope you don't mind. I've been watching > all the list since phpWebSite began and I must commend everyone on the > developers list on your civility, it doesn't happen too often from > other projects I watched. I feel a sense that everyone is trying to > stay that way as much as possible and that is good but it also seems > that everyone might be going a bit to far and not wanting to step on > someones toes. Everyone seems to have ideas that they bring to the > table and then say "whatever the group decides". We,you,us, they, > whoever need to get the focus and direction back to the project. I > think a chat-whiteboard for meeting is great and I agree with Geoff > that it should be done some place neutral, but to spend a week on > discussing on where to have discussions... well you know. I guess > what I would like to see is a "leader" make some very radical decisions > based on input from everyone involved and then we follow that course. > I definately do not understand all the discussions on this list, but I > do see what looks like a project becoming bogged down. I apologize if > I over stepped my bounds, but I believe this project is VERY exciting > and has HUGE potential and I don't want to see it lose out. > > Mike windsor > > > From: Geoff Staples > To: php...@li... > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third > party service. I offered to setup a chat service on one of my > servers. Now, someone else has offered to host one as well. So, > when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone > else. If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, > we are then tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or > move on for another reason. Some may offer the services of their > employer which could be revolked at any time. I own my servers and > they are in a NOC, but that is a small consolation. So, I suggest > that we use a third party service such as communityzero (which I > haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat, > whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we > don't have to be concerned about them leaving the project. I'm > still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But, > again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use > something hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool. Just as > a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar is > really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, > data flow diagrams, or whatever. > > Geoff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf > Of Aaron Adams Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM > To: php...@li... > Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > > Hey guys, > > Check out http://communityzero.com > > It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. > Not only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and > manage lists, but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can > personalize your group to serve most purposes. (The interface is > fairly intuitive as well). --- > Aaron Adams > > > > From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...> > Reply-To: php...@li... > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600 > To: <php...@li...> > Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > > > I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. > > IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one > of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: > > What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, > and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? > > I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a > white board together on occasion. > > Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? > > Geoff |
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From: Mike W. <wi...@ce...> - 2001-03-26 18:18:22
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Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationThis is my first time posting =
to the developers list and I hope you don't mind. I've been watching all =
the list since phpWebSite began and I must commend everyone on the =
developers list on your civility, it doesn't happen too often from other =
projects I watched. I feel a sense that everyone is trying to stay that =
way as much as possible and that is good but it also seems that everyone =
might be going a bit to far and not wanting to step on someones toes. =
Everyone seems to have ideas that they bring to the table and then say =
"whatever the group decides". We,you,us, they, whoever need to get the =
focus and direction back to the project. =20
I think a chat-whiteboard for meeting is great and I agree with Geoff =
that it should be done some place neutral, but to spend a week on =
discussing on where to have discussions... well you know. =20
I guess what I would like to see is a "leader" make some very radical =
decisions based on input from everyone involved and then we follow that =
course.=20
I definately do not understand all the discussions on this list, but I =
do see what looks like a project becoming bogged down.=20
I apologize if I over stepped my bounds, but I believe this project is =
VERY exciting and has HUGE potential and I don't want to see it lose =
out.
Mike windsor
From: Geoff Staples=20
To: php...@li...=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third =
party service.
I offered to setup a chat service on one of my servers. Now, someone =
else has offered to host one as well.
So, when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as =
everyone else.
If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, we are =
then tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or move on for =
another reason.
Some may offer the services of their employer which could be =
revolked at any time. I own my servers and they are in a NOC, but that =
is a small consolation.
So, I suggest that we use a third party service such as =
communityzero (which I haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State =
can host Chat, whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the =
project, so we don't have to be concerned about them leaving the =
project.
I'm still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. =
But, again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use =
something hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool.
Just as a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something =
similar is really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, =
flowcharts, data flow diagrams, or whatever.
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From: php...@li... =
[mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of =
Aaron Adams
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM
To: php...@li...
Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
Hey guys,
Check out http://communityzero.com
It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. Not =
only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and manage lists, =
but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can personalize your group =
to serve most purposes. (The interface is fairly intuitive as well).
---
Aaron Adams
From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...>
Reply-To: php...@li...
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600
To: <php...@li...>
Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic.
IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of =
my
servers stands. But, now I have further question:
What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and =
other
visual stuff in addition to the written word?
I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a =
white
board together on occasion.
Maybe even setup for voice conference calling?
Geoff
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From: Alain F. <al...@va...> - 2001-03-26 18:08:44
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Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationHi there,
Speaking from personal experience, I know that a group of X enthousiastic
developers is always trying to find the theoretically best technical
solution for collaboration. Then they start loosing the focus about what
it's really all about: getting things done. They spend countless E-mails
trying to find the optimal solution for collaborative work, team
development, and so on. The end result is that nothing gets done at all;
some of the developers might even start developing a collaboration tool in
order to get the work done better and faster... :)
Look, we have that fabulous tool called SourceForge. Why shall we not start
using that one and try to figure out all of its features before we look for
something different ?
Just agree on an IRC channel on any chat network (undernet or whatever) to
get the "real-time" collaboration thing right, and then let's start being
productive !
As for drawing ERD's, statecharts and any other diagram, I really wonder how
you could possibly do that in a productive way using a white-board type of
thing. I'm not particulary good at drawing an ERD schema containing 25
entities on a 400 by 300 pixel window using my mouse. Are you ? ;)
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De : php...@li...
[mailto:php...@li...]De la part de
Geoff Staples
Envoye : lundi 26 mars 2001 19:36
A : php...@li...
Objet : RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third party
service.
I offered to setup a chat service on one of my servers. Now, someone
else has offered to host one as well.
So, when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone
else.
If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, we are then
tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or move on for another
reason.
Some may offer the services of their employer which could be revolked at
any time. I own my servers and they are in a NOC, but that is a small
consolation.
So, I suggest that we use a third party service such as communityzero
(which I haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat,
whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we don't have
to be concerned about them leaving the project.
I'm still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But,
again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use something
hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool.
Just as a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar
is really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, data flow
diagrams, or whatever.
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From: php...@li...
[mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Aaron
Adams
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM
To: php...@li...
Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
Hey guys,
Check out http://communityzero.com
It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. Not
only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and manage lists, but
it also has instant messaging/chat. You can personalize your group to serve
most purposes. (The interface is fairly intuitive as well).
---
Aaron Adams
From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...>
Reply-To: php...@li...
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600
To: <php...@li...>
Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication
I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic.
IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my
servers stands. But, now I have further question:
What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and
other
visual stuff in addition to the written word?
I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a
white
board together on occasion.
Maybe even setup for voice conference calling?
Geoff
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From: Geoff S. <Ge...@Ho...> - 2001-03-26 17:36:32
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Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationI haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third party service. I offered to setup a chat service on one of my servers. Now, someone else has offered to host one as well. So, when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone else. If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, we are then tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or move on for another reason. Some may offer the services of their employer which could be revolked at any time. I own my servers and they are in a NOC, but that is a small consolation. So, I suggest that we use a third party service such as communityzero (which I haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat, whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we don't have to be concerned about them leaving the project. I'm still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But, again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use something hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool. Just as a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar is really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, data flow diagrams, or whatever. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: php...@li... [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Aaron Adams Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM To: php...@li... Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication Hey guys, Check out http://communityzero.com It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. Not only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and manage lists, but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can personalize your group to serve most purposes. (The interface is fairly intuitive as well). --- Aaron Adams From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...> Reply-To: php...@li... Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600 To: <php...@li...> Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a white board together on occasion. Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? Geoff |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 16:22:42
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I don't know anyone at WebEX, I do know we paid them alot to be able to use them on a full-time basis. > Jason Campbell wrote: >> >> I know WebEX has the features your talking about, my company has a >> contract with them to do conferencing when we introduce new Oracle >> apps to our remote offices but it costs $$$ to use on a regular basis >> :) Unless you know of something we could use for free??? > > Up to four comcurrent users WebEX is free, so it could be easily used > for specified projects. Do you know any WebEX official? Maybe they want > to support an upcoming open source killer application... > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 16:19:42
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The first item on the list I'd like to discuss once we decide how and when we have a meeting would be if we want to use ADODB, PEAR or something else if there is anything else to use. I've just looked at a few apps written with ADODB and it looks pretty good to me. From developing a intranet site with ASP and looking at the functions ADODB uses, it looks easy to pick up and be able to use. The real debate is if we use either of them we'd have to also distribute them with our distribution and we'd have to make sure we stay current with any bugfixes they do to either of the systems. Anyone else want to give input on this?? Jason Campbell Xplozive Media Technologies www.xplozivemedia.com phpWebSite Developer |
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From: Christian S. <chr...@sc...> - 2001-03-26 16:19:14
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Jason Campbell wrote: > > I know WebEX has the features your talking about, my company has a contract > with them to do conferencing when we introduce new Oracle apps to our > remote offices but it costs $$$ to use on a regular basis :) Unless you > know of something we could use for free??? Up to four comcurrent users WebEX is free, so it could be easily used for specified projects. Do you know any WebEX official? Maybe they want to support an upcoming open source killer application... Chris |
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From: Christian S. <chr...@sc...> - 2001-03-26 16:15:31
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Geoff Staples wrote: > > I will offer to setup phpChat on one of my servers for the use of the team > at no charge. I dunno phpChat, but all I php chats I ever used were a pure horror in performance far away from real time. I could offer a really fast password-protected java based chat room for phpWS developers on my company's web server. Any interest? Chris |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 16:10:57
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I think that would be good when we start coding and actually changing the system. I'd like a meeting now so we can all just see where everyone else is coming from and would like to take the project from where it currently is at. And I'd like to do this very soon if possible with the rest of the dev team. I know WebEX has the features your talking about, my company has a contract with them to do conferencing when we introduce new Oracle apps to our remote offices but it costs $$$ to use on a regular basis :) Unless you know of something we could use for free??? > I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. > > IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my > servers stands. But, now I have further question: > > What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and > other visual stuff in addition to the written word? > > I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a white > board together on occasion. > > Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? > > Geoff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of > Jason Campbell > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:08 AM > To: php...@li... > Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > I'd say IRC and/or the Developers Forum on SourceForge would be the > fastest ways to talk. IRC would be good because it would be real-time > chat and not waiting for someone to respond like in forums. > >> Hi, >> >> >> How about the "Developers Forum" on SourceForge, that has for some >> obscure reason been deleted ? ;) >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : php...@li... >>> [mailto:php...@li...]De la part >>> de Matthew McNaney >>> Envoyé : lundi 26 mars 2001 15:55 >>> À : php...@li... >>> Objet : [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even >>> ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would >>> prefer to communicate outside of email. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Matthew McNaney >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >>> Php...@li... >>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Aaron A. <aa...@wc...> - 2001-03-26 16:10:55
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Hey guys, Check out http://communityzero.com It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. Not only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and manage lists, but it also has instant messaging/chat. You can personalize your group to serve most purposes. (The interface is fairly intuitive as well). --- Aaron Adams From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...> Reply-To: php...@li... Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600 To: <php...@li...> Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a white board together on occasion. Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? Geoff |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 16:05:20
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I can do this too if we want to go web-based with the Chat instead of IRC. I've got med-chat (made in php) setup on my site now but I haven't used it other than to test it out and it seems great and pretty fast too. So I've got that at our disposal too if we wanted to use it...Anyways.... > I will offer to setup phpChat on one of my servers for the use of the > team at no charge. > > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: php...@li... > [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of > Matthew McNaney > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:55 AM > To: php...@li... > Subject: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication > > > Hello all, > > I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even > ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would > prefer to communicate outside of email. > > Thanks, > Matthew McNaney > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Geoff S. <Ge...@Ho...> - 2001-03-26 16:03:40
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I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic. IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my servers stands. But, now I have further question: What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and other visual stuff in addition to the written word? I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a white board together on occasion. Maybe even setup for voice conference calling? Geoff -----Original Message----- From: php...@li... [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Jason Campbell Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:08 AM To: php...@li... Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication I'd say IRC and/or the Developers Forum on SourceForge would be the faste= st ways to talk. IRC would be good because it would be real-time chat and n= ot waiting for someone to respond like in forums. > Hi, > > > How about the "Developers Forum" on SourceForge, that has for some > obscure reason been deleted ? ;) > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : php...@li... >> [mailto:php...@li...]De la part >> de Matthew McNaney >> Envoy=E9 : lundi 26 mars 2001 15:55 >> =C0 : php...@li... >> Objet : [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even >> ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would >> prefer to communicate outside of email. >> >> Thanks, >> Matthew McNaney >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers _______________________________________________ Phpwebsite-developers mailing list Php...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Geoff S. <Ge...@Ho...> - 2001-03-26 15:53:19
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I will offer to setup phpChat on one of my servers for the use of the team at no charge. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: php...@li... [mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Matthew McNaney Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:55 AM To: php...@li... Subject: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication Hello all, I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would prefer to communicate outside of email. Thanks, Matthew McNaney _______________________________________________ Phpwebsite-developers mailing list Php...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Christian S. <chr...@sc...> - 2001-03-26 15:46:53
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Karsten Dambekalns wrote: > > HTML templates seem to be the best solution right now. I wrote an email to > jason Campbell (and forwarded it to Brian later), but dind't get any > response until now. I will elaborate on my ideas in details later. But > again: HTML templates (combined with (PEAR:)Cache) are the way to go, IMHO. > > The use of XML to to the basic placement of blocks might make sense. But > someone is working on arbritrary block positioning right now, right? So lets > see what the results are, before jumping on the XML wagon just because it > is cool. I don't think XML should be used because of it's coolness but because of it's portability and universality. XML or JSP template generation is one of the main issues Forrester Research focused as an absoulute "must have" in their last study about professional content management systems. PHP plus XML would give a highly scalable system relying on internet standards instead of all that proprietary formats used in today's portal solutions. The other industry standard would be Java server pages with Tomcat or BEA Weblogic - far away from anything that phpWS is or should ever be. Chris |
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From: Jan <ja...@my...> - 2001-03-26 15:23:43
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When try to publish a new page and the imnage it's very large say an = error, OK, but for example after 3 errors and the 4 correct you have 1 = page correct and 3 unfinished when you go for example to edit the good = page. Do you understand? Sorry for the english. The cataln translate it's finished 75 % Jan |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 15:08:36
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I'm working on the new block code but if we're changing the theme system, which I and others things we should, I don't want to commit stuff to CVS that will need to be recoded for the new theme system. I think we need to get on IRC and have a developers meeting soon to decide what we want to get done with the project before anything else gets added to the core code base. We as the developers need to decide what we want to do with the database first and then work from there. I've heard talk about changing the structure of the tables and what not, if thats going to happen and be in the core code I say we have a meeting SOON and decide on it and get that done first, when thats completed we can add/modify other parts of the system around the new model and maybe get a modular system started. I don't want to write or commit code that will need to be rewritten if the whole system changes. Anyone else feel this way? Jason Campbell Xplozive Media Technologies www.xplozivemedia.com phpWebSite Developer > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:30:41PM -0500, Todd Owen wrote: > >> Jason, you're right about the .xlay files. I was looking at their >> .tmpl files, which are html. > > HTML templates seem to be the best solution right now. I wrote an email > to jason Campbell (and forwarded it to Brian later), but dind't get any > response until now. I will elaborate on my ideas in details later. But > again: HTML templates (combined with (PEAR:)Cache) are the way to go, > IMHO. > > The use of XML to to the basic placement of blocks might make sense. > But someone is working on arbritrary block positioning right now, > right? So lets see what the results are, before jumping on the XML > wagon just because it is cool. > > Regards, > Karsten > -- > Why do we have to hide from the police, daddy? > Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. > ----------------------------- > mailto:k.d...@tu... w³: http://www.k-fish.de/ > gpg: http://www.k-fish.de/mykeys.gpg |
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From: Jason C. <cam...@xp...> - 2001-03-26 14:59:41
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I'd say IRC and/or the Developers Forum on SourceForge would be the fastest ways to talk. IRC would be good because it would be real-time chat and not waiting for someone to respond like in forums. > Hi, > > > How about the "Developers Forum" on SourceForge, that has for some > obscure reason been deleted ? ;) > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : php...@li... >> [mailto:php...@li...]De la part >> de Matthew McNaney >> Envoyé : lundi 26 mars 2001 15:55 >> À : php...@li... >> Objet : [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even >> ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would >> prefer to communicate outside of email. >> >> Thanks, >> Matthew McNaney >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Frits J. <FJ...@uv...> - 2001-03-26 14:24:07
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As an only listener, I am very fond of the mailsystem, as it enables me to see whats going on with the project via the chanals I use anywaay. I would prefer that comunication stayed in e-mail, but I am no developer or major contributor. Thanx :) -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Matthew McNaney [mailto:mcn...@tu...] Sendt: 26. marts 2001 15:55 Til: php...@li... Emne: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication Hello all, I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even ICQ to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would prefer to communicate outside of email. Thanks, Matthew McNaney _______________________________________________ Phpwebsite-developers mailing list Php...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Karsten D. <k.d...@tu...> - 2001-03-26 14:17:32
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:55:08AM -0500, Matthew McNaney wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > I would like some feedback on perhaps getting and irc channel or even ICQ= =20 > to discuss the program. Please comment on how you folks would prefer to= =20 > communicate outside of email. I would prefer IRC. Besides that, the idea is good! Much better than having a developers-only web based forum on sourceforge (email is soo much more convenient/faster/reliable)... Regards, Karsten --=20 Why do we have to hide from the police, daddy? Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. ----------------------------- mailto:k.d...@tu... w=B3: http://www.k-fish.de/ gpg: http://www.k-fish.de/mykeys.gpg |
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