[Phpwebsite-developers] Re: phpWebSite face lift

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> I prefer the left / right approach. I know some people prefer title top
> and form bottom. Unfortunately, the table format makes the former easier
> and the latter almost impossible.
I agree 100% on this. But then again, it is a matter of taste. I'm open for
any suggestions so if the majority decides to go for the title top and form
bottom, then I'll change the design asap. My goal right now is to stick with
one design standard and implement it across all of the current 0.10.x
modules. That would give the consistent design that I would really like to
see in 0.10.x.


> We'll see how it pans out. I see from where both Shaun and Michael are
> coming. Shaun wants to ensure backward compatibility. Michael wants
> consistent form. You are both right. There is a balance between pleasing
> and annoying the user after an update. Ensure that balance tips towards
> the positive.
Once again I agree 100%. I think you will see that I try not to make any
radical changes when it comes to new styles. The one I have added so far is
optional. Developers shouldn't see any differences in the new layout,
besides forms changing to the grid layout. The old styles are still used,
and themes should work unchanged when 0.10.3 is released. Once I have added
the new classes to all of the lists and input forms it would add the
possibility of doing a more powerful styling.
 

> I don't suggest inline style but phpwebsite 0.10.x is kinda weak in this
> regard. You can't be sure people will adopt new classes in their style
> sheets and you don't want their view to radically change.
If you look at the changes I have made so far, the only inline styles I have
added is mainly replacements of html attributes. I have made this decision
because I like inline styles in preference of attributes, but then again, I
think it is a matter of taste. If anyone has some technical reasons why we
should stick with attributes then please let me know. Replacing the inline
styles with new classes would cause everyone to adapt them in the current
themes, and that would deviate from my intention of not making a radical
change to 0.10.x.


> Something I would like as a result of this discussion is a consensus of
> what Fallout should contain. I want a set of persistent styles that
> developers can count on. Like Michael mentioned, I would like to see
> Fallout ship with a theme set that can be edited some what like the
> ZenGarden site.
For me it is very important to remember, that Fallout is in the pipeline. If
0.10.x was the code base we should continue to work on, then I would have
done a great amount of work trying to convince everybody to give the design
an extensive face lift. But Fallout is soon to be a reality (did you get
this Matt?), and I hope that everyone agrees, that this is where we have the
change to set a new standard for the user interface and how it is going to
be styled.

- Michael (TechElephant)