RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication

[Alain F. <al...@va...>]

Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] CommunicationHi there,


Speaking from personal experience, I know that a group of X enthousiastic
developers is always trying to find the theoretically best technical
solution for collaboration. Then they start loosing the focus about what
it's really all about: getting things done. They spend countless E-mails
trying to find the optimal solution for collaborative work, team
development, and so on. The end result is that nothing gets done at all;
some of the developers might even start developing a collaboration tool in
order to get the work done better and faster... :)

Look, we have that fabulous tool called SourceForge. Why shall we not start
using that one and try to figure out all of its features before we look for
something different ?

Just agree on an IRC channel on any chat network (undernet or whatever) to
get the "real-time" collaboration thing right, and then let's start being
productive !

As for drawing ERD's, statecharts and any other diagram, I really wonder how
you could possibly do that in a productive way using a white-board type of
thing. I'm not particulary good at drawing an ERD schema containing 25
entities on a 400 by 300 pixel window using my mouse. Are you ? ;)
  -----Message d'origine-----
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Geoff Staples
  Envoye : lundi 26 mars 2001 19:36
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  Objet : RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication


    I haven't looked at communityzero. But, I like the idea of a third party
service.
    I offered to setup a chat service on one of my servers. Now, someone
else has offered to host one as well.
    So, when I say what follows, it is directed at me as well as everyone
else.
    If we use something setup on one of our developers's sites, we are then
tied into someone who may eventually lose interest or move on for another
reason.
    Some may offer the services of their employer which could be revolked at
any time. I own my servers and they are in a NOC, but that is a small
consolation.
    So, I suggest that we use a third party service such as communityzero
(which I haven't looke at) or, perhaps, Appalachian State can host Chat,
whiteboard, etc. for us. They are the owner of the project, so we don't have
to be concerned about them leaving the project.
    I'm still happy to host something if that is what we want to do. But,
again, upon further reflection, it is probably better to use something
hosted by Appalachian State or a thirdparty tool.
    Just as a reminder: I think that a whiteboard tool or something similar
is really important for drawing class diagrams, ERD's, flowcharts, data flow
diagrams, or whatever.

    Geoff


     -----Original Message-----
    From: php...@li...
[mailto:php...@li...]On Behalf Of Aaron
Adams
    Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:10 AM
    To: php...@li...
    Subject: Re: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication



    Hey guys,

    Check out http://communityzero.com

    It's a great (free) tool for private conferencing/collaboration. Not
only can you post documents, hold a forum discussion, and manage lists, but
it also has instant messaging/chat. You can personalize your group to serve
most purposes. (The interface is fairly intuitive as well).
    ---
    Aaron Adams



      From: "Geoff Staples" <Ge...@Ho...>
      Reply-To: php...@li...
      Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0600
      To: <php...@li...>
      Subject: RE: [Phpwebsite-developers] Communication




      I'll pitch in another two cents on the communications topic.

      IRC would be fine. My offer of setting up a private chat on one of my
      servers stands. But, now I have further question:

      What about a venue that provides whiteboard, document display, and
other
      visual stuff in addition to the written word?

      I'm thinking that it would be very handy to be able to stand at a
white
      board together on occasion.

      Maybe even setup for voice conference calling?

      Geoff