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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-06-28 19:10:49
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On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 11:24, Tony Miller wrote: > Could you please assign the open problems for quotes and > mailto to me. Also, would it be possible to set those > categories to automatically assign to me so that I can change > priorities and close them. Tony, I haven't completed the project policy documents on SR/tracker triage. I feel that auto assigning them at this time would be a mistake. BTW, please use the devel mailing list for these messages. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Tony M. <cl...@us...> - 2004-06-30 18:04:01
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When I signed up for the project, I think I was confused about what it was all about. I was under the impressions that this project was a place to centrally locate individual projects to all corroberation if it was wanted. What it appears to be now is a centralized administration (who doesn't seem to have time to administrate) has taken control of my module and will decide if functionality is warranted and what the priority is, and if bugs are legitimate and who they are assigned to. Rather than helping my development efforts, this model seems to be hindering it. I released an *emergency* news item outlining a bad bug in my code, and the bug wasn't even listed in the news. Have I completely misunderstood things? Thanks, -Tony -- Hometown Enterprises Internet Services Professional, affordable web design and hosting. http://www.hteis.com/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-06-30 19:19:35
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On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 11:03, Tony Miller wrote:
> When I signed up for the project, I think I was confused about what it
> was all about. I was under the impressions that this project was a
> place to centrally locate individual projects to all corroberation if
> it was wanted.
Tony,
You were not mistaken. I'm trying to setup a tracker/task system that
multiple project members can utilize. I'm not there yet unfortunately.
Also, my accident set back progress on this task considerably.
> What it appears to be now is a centralized administration (who doesn't
> seem to have time to administrate) has taken control of my module and
> will decide if functionality is warranted and what the priority is,
> and if bugs are legitimate and who they are assigned to.
I'm not trying to decide anything for you. Your modules are under your
control. I've never made a commit to your code. I'm only trying to
figure out a sane way to coordinate all of these projects in the
tracker/task managers available to us.
Note: all trackers/tasks are posted to our phpwebsite-comm-auto
list for review by everyone.
https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=81360
> Rather than helping my development efforts, this model seems to be
> hindering it. I released an *emergency* news item outlining a bad bug
> in my code, and the bug wasn't even listed in the news.
I'm sorry if anything I've done or failed to do has caused you any
hardship. It was not my intent. If at any time a majority of the project
members wish me to step aside I will. I only serve while I further the
best interests of our project.
Unfortunately, the SF staff has news item release restricted to project
admins at this time. I'm going to request a project user permission
similar to release tech for news.
> Have I completely misunderstood things?
My intent yes. However, you may be correct in implementation. I'll leave
that judgment to others.
--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs
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From: Eloi G. <el...@re...> - 2004-06-30 22:14:50
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Mike Noyes wrote: >So far my efforts have been poor to say the least. Sorry. > I believe in 'ya, Mike! Tony. Although I'm not one to talk because I release my module on both SF and my own site, I do have to say that Mike *is* trying his level best to administrate phpws-comm while having to deal with his real job & that wicked cool scar he's sportin' now. phpws-comm is a needed resource. It's only going to happen if we all participate. However, I think that SF is not the place to host it. SF's structure & policies are based on hosting various development teams in a central repository. phpws-comm's (correct me if I'm wrong) purpose is to do the same thing limited to a certain theme (phpWebsite). Essentially we're hosting SF *on* SF! Mike, have you given any thought to hosting phpws-comm on the Appstate servers or on phpwebsitemanual? We'd lose tracker functionality, but except for forum-based moderators I think that phpwsbb make a wonderful substitution. *______________________________* |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-01 17:40:17
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On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 14:21, Eloi George wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > >So far my efforts have been poor to say the least. Sorry. > > > I believe in 'ya, Mike! Eloi, Thanks for the vote of confidence. :-) > phpws-comm is a needed resource. It's only going to happen if we all > participate. Agreed. > However, I think that SF is not the place to host it. SF's structure > & policies are based on hosting various development teams in a central > repository. phpws-comm's (correct me if I'm wrong) purpose is to do > the same thing limited to a certain theme (phpWebsite). Essentially > we're hosting SF *on* SF! Actually, it is possible to host a project like ours on SF, it just requires additional administrative work. Example: fink, leaf, etc. > Mike, have you given any thought to hosting phpws-comm on the Appstate > servers or on phpwebsitemanual? We'd lose tracker functionality, but > except for forum-based moderators I think that phpwsbb make a wonderful > substitution. It is a possibility, but my usefulness would cease. My only redeeming values are related to my knowledge of the SF services, structure, and staff. Possible alternatives: savannah.gnu.org, gforge.org, www.egroupware.org Note: hosting becomes an issue with gforge and egroupware. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Tony M. <cl...@us...> - 2004-07-01 15:43:44
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Eloi George wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > >So far my efforts have been poor to say the least. Sorry. > > > I believe in 'ya, Mike! > > Tony. Although I'm not one to talk because I release my module on both > SF and my own site, I do have to say that Mike *is* trying his level > best to administrate phpws-comm while having to deal with his real job & > that wicked cool scar he's sportin' now. That's cool. And I don't mean to criticize (yeah, I do :)), but I thought that what I had asked wasn't unreasonable (it's a switch that's flipped, auto-assigning issues to the guy who wrote the module). There seems to be a level of complication and administration that I don't really believe is necessary. This is just my opinion, and I'm assuming this list is where we can voice our opinions. > phpws-comm is a needed resource. It's only going to happen if we all > participate. However, I think that SF is not the place to host it. > SF's structure & policies are based on hosting various development teams > in a central repository. phpws-comm's (correct me if I'm wrong) purpose > is to do the same thing limited to a certain theme (phpWebsite). > Essentially we're hosting SF *on* SF! Why IS phpwebsite on SorceForge? It seems that the CVS tree is being hosted elsewhere. > Mike, have you given any thought to hosting phpws-comm on the Appstate > servers or on phpwebsitemanual? We'd lose tracker functionality, but > except for forum-based moderators I think that phpwsbb make a wonderful > substitution. I would really miss the tracker. It's one of the main reasons I joined the project on SF. -- Hometown Enterprises Internet Services Professional, affordable web design and hosting. http://www.hteis.com/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-01 17:58:20
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On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 08:43, Tony Miller wrote: > I thought that what I had asked wasn't unreasonable (it's a switch > that's flipped, auto-assigning issues to the guy who wrote the > module). There seems to be a level of complication and > administration that I don't really believe is necessary. Tony, It isn't unreasonable. I'll even capitulate on this, if the community thinks the project can function without a triage system. I'm just concerned the tracker and task queues will become an unmanageable mess over time. This happened on LEAF, and I still haven't sorted the mess out. It also happened to SF (Alexandria). Jacob Moorman was able to put a triage system in place that corrected the problem. Take a look at their queue for an example of what I'd like to see us implement. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1&atid=200001 > This is just my opinion, and I'm assuming this list is where we can > voice our opinions. It is. Opinions are how consensus is achieved. It's often a messy process, but the results are worth while. :-) > Why IS phpwebsite on SorceForge? It seems that the CVS tree is being > hosted elsewhere. SF projects can make use of selected features. The phpWebSite ASU team decided to make use of SF forums, trackers, and developers mailing list. They desired local control of these resources at ASU: CVS repository, website, and cvs notice list. phpWebSite Community Development was founded to allow third parties a place to contribute to phpWebSite, as access to the ASU cvs repository is restricted, etc. > I would really miss the tracker. It's one of the main reasons I joined > the project on SF. I would also, but all the alternatives have features equivalent to the ones provided by SF available. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Wendall C. <wen...@to...> - 2004-07-01 18:10:44
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+1 for the triage system. I don't want to see the tracker and task queues become a big mess. The biggest problem is that the sf.net system was originally designed for individual projects. The method Mike is implementing will allow -comm be able to handle multiple jobs. I think the biggest thing Mike needs at this point is feedback. I know there are several of us admins capable of administering the triage queue. We just need to communicate on who is doing so and when. With the number of projects now at -comm, it is time to just make the thing work. I for one wouldn't want anybody but Mike handling this as he knows the SF.net system better than any of the phpWebSite developers. Let's just keep giving constructive feedback and get things ironed out. I'll help Mike get the wiki up and running so we can start building documentation and site docs as a group. Wendall On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 08:43, Tony Miller wrote: > > I thought that what I had asked wasn't unreasonable (it's a switch > > that's flipped, auto-assigning issues to the guy who wrote the > > module). There seems to be a level of complication and > > administration that I don't really believe is necessary. > > Tony, > It isn't unreasonable. I'll even capitulate on this, if the community > thinks the project can function without a triage system. I'm just > concerned the tracker and task queues will become an unmanageable mess > over time. This happened on LEAF, and I still haven't sorted the mess > out. It also happened to SF (Alexandria). Jacob Moorman was able to put > a triage system in place that corrected the problem. Take a look at > their queue for an example of what I'd like to see us implement. > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1&atid=200001 > > > This is just my opinion, and I'm assuming this list is where we can > > voice our opinions. > > It is. Opinions are how consensus is achieved. It's often a messy > process, but the results are worth while. :-) > > > Why IS phpwebsite on SorceForge? It seems that the CVS tree is being > > hosted elsewhere. > > SF projects can make use of selected features. The phpWebSite ASU team > decided to make use of SF forums, trackers, and developers mailing list. > They desired local control of these resources at ASU: CVS repository, > website, and cvs notice list. phpWebSite Community Development was > founded to allow third parties a place to contribute to phpWebSite, as > access to the ASU cvs repository is restricted, etc. > > > I would really miss the tracker. It's one of the main reasons I joined > > the project on SF. > > I would also, but all the alternatives have features equivalent to the > ones provided by SF available. -- "Only the ideas that we really live have any value." --Hermann Hesse (Demian) |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-01 21:17:22
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On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 11:10, Wendall Cada wrote: > The method Mike is implementing will allow -comm be able to handle > multiple jobs. I think the biggest thing Mike needs at this point is > feedback. Wendall, Yes. I've been stuck on some of the finer details. We could even work them out as we go, but we need a system. The first thing is to get drafts created from the mess I posted earlier. > I know there are several of us admins capable of administering the > triage queue. We just need to communicate on who is doing so and when. Everyone, Are there any volunteers for this job? > With the number of projects now at -comm, it is time to just make the > thing work. Wendall, Agreed. > I for one wouldn't want anybody but Mike handling this as he knows the > SF.net system better than any of the phpWebSite developers. Let's just > keep giving constructive feedback and get things ironed out. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Tony M. <to...@ht...> - 2004-06-28 19:44:56
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 11:24, Tony Miller wrote: > > Could you please assign the open problems for quotes and > > mailto to me. Also, would it be possible to set those > > categories to automatically assign to me so that I can change > > priorities and close them. > > Tony, > I haven't completed the project policy documents on SR/tracker triage. I > feel that auto assigning them at this time would be a mistake. Why is this? Is there anyone else who should be handling my bug processing than me? > BTW, please use the devel mailing list for these messages. Ok. -Tony -- Hometown Enterprises Internet Services Professional, affordable web design and hosting. http://www.hteis.com/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-06-30 19:26:17
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On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 12:44, Tony Miller wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Mike Noyes wrote: > > I haven't completed the project policy documents on SR/tracker triage. I > > feel that auto assigning them at this time would be a mistake. > > Why is this? Is there anyone else who should be handling my bug > processing than me? Tony, Of course your bug's should be assigned to you. That's not the issue. The issue is a tracker may be given a bug status by a submitter erroneously. This is one of many possible mistakes a submitters can and do make daily. I'm trying to save you and the other developers time and effort required to respond to erroneous tracker artifacts. So far my efforts have been poor to say the least. Sorry. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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