phpwebsite-comm-devel

[-comm-devel] Wiki

[Mike N. <mh...@us...>]

Everyone,
Do you have any suggestions for our wiki?

        Proposal: add phpWebSite FAQs (from ASU), add phpWebStie manual,
        add module docs.

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Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
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SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

[-comm-devel] Wiki

[Mike N. <mh...@us...>]

Everyone,
Greg Meiste kindly created a wiki module, so I think we should consider
using our own dog food. 

Proposed structure for our website:

        phpWebSite hub: Core only
        
        Branch sites: Article, phpwsrssfeeds, Wiki, etc. (each module
        should have a separate branch site where it is installed). This
        will leave the hub clean, and facilitate easy upgrades of the
        modules.
        
        Themes: contained in a single branch site install.

Migration of MediaWiki content to phpWS wiki would occur in a fashion
similar to the process used in Moin -> MediaWiki.

As always comments and suggestions are welcome.

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Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
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SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

Re: [-comm-devel] Wiki

[Gregory M. <gre...@gm...>]

Mike,

I would like to request that we hold off moving the -comm wiki to my
module.  I would like to get another version or two released to get
several more key features added.  At that point, I agree that we
should begin to eat our own dog food.  At the moment however, our dog
food isn't quite ready.

Greg Meiste


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:55:38 -0800, Mike Noyes
<mh...@us...> wrote:
> Everyone,
> Greg Meiste kindly created a wiki module, so I think we should consider
> using our own dog food.
> 
> Proposed structure for our website:
> 
>         phpWebSite hub: Core only
> 
>         Branch sites: Article, phpwsrssfeeds, Wiki, etc. (each module
>         should have a separate branch site where it is installed). This
>         will leave the hub clean, and facilitate easy upgrades of the
>         modules.
> 
>         Themes: contained in a single branch site install.
> 
> Migration of MediaWiki content to phpWS wiki would occur in a fashion
> similar to the process used in Moin -> MediaWiki.
> 
> As always comments and suggestions are welcome.
> 
> --
> Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
> SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs
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Re: [-comm-devel] Wiki

[Greg M. <drk...@co...>]

Mike Noyes wrote:
> Everyone,
> Greg Meiste kindly created a wiki module, so I think we should consider
> using our own dog food. 
> 

<snip>

> Migration of MediaWiki content to phpWS wiki would occur in a fashion
> similar to the process used in Moin -> MediaWiki.
> 
> As always comments and suggestions are welcome.
> 

I am sure this would be a good time for several reasons.

1.) There are still parts of the Moin -> MediaWiki conversion that have 
not been completed.  This lies more in reformatting the text that was 
dumped over to Media.

2.) The Moin -> MediaWiki conversion was allot of work.  One of the 
three people involved in that conversion is no longer contributing to 
the wiki.  That person may have felt he did his part and is done. 
That's ok.  That's how Open Source works.  I anticipate the same amount 
of work for MediaWiki -> phpWebsite Wiki.  The nice thing with the last 
conversion is that there were sample sites around that could be viewed. 
  Perhaps the documentation should be completed before we attempt the 
conversion. Please see 
http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wiki.

3.) I am not sure how to get other people to contribute.  How do we 
build the wiki community?  There are almost 60 users now. However, 
looking at 
http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges 
shows that very few are contributing.  I am afraid that changing the 
horse again won't help build the community.  Everyone would have to sign 
up all over again.  I am thinking that might be a barrier to retraining 
the community that exists now.

4.) A wiki is a wiki is a wiki.  However, I like the dog food I am 
eating right now.  I've had to slow down on my contributions to the 
current wiki.  I am afraid that changing brands will slow down what I 
can contribute.  I agree that eating our very own brand of dog food is 
important but I know I won't have time to help make the switch.  So that 
would leave Mike as the only person making the wiki switch and eating 
our brand of dog food.  Again the question comes to my mind, "How do we 
build the community?  How do we encourage people to contribute a small 
change here or there each day?  It appears to me that an established 
wiki lends to small contributes by many people.

5.) I think it would be more helpful for the community to work on 
creating a way of formatting both the third party modules 
http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Third_Party_Modules, 
and third party themes 
http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Third_Party_Themes 
than making the switch to another wiki.  There are some other areas of 
the current wiki that need attention by more seasoned admins.

Greg

Re: [-comm-devel] Wiki

[Greg M. <drk...@co...>]

Greg Morgan tried to write:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> 
>> Everyone,
>> Greg Meiste kindly created a wiki module, so I think we should consider
>> using our own dog food.
> 
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Migration of MediaWiki content to phpWS wiki would occur in a fashion
>> similar to the process used in Moin -> MediaWiki.
>>
>> As always comments and suggestions are welcome.
>>
> 
> I am sure this would be a good time for several reasons.

LOL well I meant Not as in

I am sure this would not be a good time for several reasons.

> 
> 1.) There are still parts of the Moin -> MediaWiki conversion that have 
> not been completed.  This lies more in reformatting the text that was 
> dumped over to Media.
> 
> 2.) The Moin -> MediaWiki conversion was allot of work.  One of the 
> three people involved in that conversion is no longer contributing to 
> the wiki.  That person may have felt he did his part and is done. That's 
> ok.  That's how Open Source works.  I anticipate the same amount of work 
> for MediaWiki -> phpWebsite Wiki.  The nice thing with the last 
> conversion is that there were sample sites around that could be viewed. 
>  Perhaps the documentation should be completed before we attempt the 
> conversion. Please see 
> http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wiki.
> 
> 3.) I am not sure how to get other people to contribute.  How do we 
> build the wiki community?  There are almost 60 users now. However, 
> looking at 
> http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges 
> shows that very few are contributing.  I am afraid that changing the 
> horse again won't help build the community.  Everyone would have to sign 
> up all over again.  I am thinking that might be a barrier to retraining 
> the community that exists now.
> 
> 4.) A wiki is a wiki is a wiki.  However, I like the dog food I am 
> eating right now.  I've had to slow down on my contributions to the 
> current wiki.  I am afraid that changing brands will slow down what I 
> can contribute.  I agree that eating our very own brand of dog food is 
> important but I know I won't have time to help make the switch.  So that 
> would leave Mike as the only person making the wiki switch and eating 
> our brand of dog food.  Again the question comes to my mind, "How do we 
> build the community?  How do we encourage people to contribute a small 
> change here or there each day?  It appears to me that an established 
> wiki lends to small contributes by many people.
> 
> 5.) I think it would be more helpful for the community to work on 
> creating a way of formatting both the third party modules 
> http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Third_Party_Modules, 
> and third party themes 
> http://phpwebsite-comm.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Third_Party_Themes 
> than making the switch to another wiki.  There are some other areas of 
> the current wiki that need attention by more seasoned admins.
> 
> Greg