phpsqliteadmin-devel

[Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

Hi guys,

=46irman proposed that we discuss a rename of the project, the reason=20
behind is that the PHP license ( http://www.php.net/license/ , read the=20
first Q in the FAQ) encourages projects NOT to use the PHP acronym in=20
their name.

What are your opinions?


Best regards,
Yves


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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On 9/15/05, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>=20
> Firman proposed that we discuss a rename of the project, the reason
> behind is that the PHP license ( http://www.php.net/license/ , read the
> first Q in the FAQ) encourages projects NOT to use the PHP acronym in
> their name.
>=20
> What are your opinions?
>=20
>=20
> Best regards,
> Yves
>=20

I've already told to Yves that I'm not sure about renaming this
project or not. But we should be found the solution of this issue
because this is about license.

Same question with Yves, I waiting your comments.

Regards,
--=20
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Felipe L. <ff...@gm...>]

Hi there!!
 I've never thought about it before, but after reading the link you sent I=
=20
think we should consider changing the project's name. Could you imagine the=
=20
negative impact that those many bugs in PHP-NUKE has caused to PHP? They ar=
e=20
right.
 IMHO, we should pick a new name for our project. In our case, we have PHP=
=20
and SQLite on our name :-/
 Don't ask me what name to pick though :-)
 Felipe Lopes

 On 9/15/05, Firman Wandayandi <fi...@gm...> wrote:=20
>=20
> On 9/15/05, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Firman proposed that we discuss a rename of the project, the reason
> > behind is that the PHP license ( http://www.php.net/license/ , read the
> > first Q in the FAQ) encourages projects NOT to use the PHP acronym in
> > their name.
> >
> > What are your opinions?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Yves
> >
>=20
> I've already told to Yves that I'm not sure about renaming this
> project or not. But we should be found the solution of this issue
> because this is about license.
>=20
> Same question with Yves, I waiting your comments.
>=20
> Regards,
> --
> Firman Wandayandi
> Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)
>=20
>=20
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

Hi Guys!

On 9/15/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> IMHO, we should pick a new name for our project. In our case, we have PHP
> and SQLite on our name :-/=20
>  =20

I've been privately emailed D. Richard Hipp as SQLite team for asking
about permission of using "SQLite" in our project name. And he said
it's ok.

Here my email and replies:
---- snip ----

From: Firman Wandayandi <fi...@gm...>=09
Reply-To: fi...@gm...
To: "D. Richard Hipp" <dr...@hw...>
Date: Sep 16, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: phpSQLiteAdmin Project Naming Issues

Hi,

We have naming issues in our project name (phpSQLiteAdmin,
http://phpsqliteadmin.sourceforge.net), as you knew this project focus
on SQLite database administration and we use "PHP" and "SQLite" in the
project's name. PHP group sugested that we shouldn't use "PHP" in the
project's name and we agreed to renaming our project name. We will
removing the "PHP" in it and now for "SQLite".

Consider on what's this project for, it's more clear for peoples to
know that the software is SQLite tool if we use "SQLite" in the
project's name.

Seems no violation with SQLite's copyright agreement.

To make sure, so I asking you as the SQLite team, Is that ok?

Regards,
--
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)

--------

From: D. Richard Hipp <dr...@hw...>=09Mailed-By: hwaci.com
To: fi...@gm...
Date: Sep 16, 2005 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: phpSQLiteAdmin Project Naming Issues

On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:25 +0700, Firman Wandayandi wrote:

> Seems no violation with SQLite's copyright agreement.
>
> To make sure, so I asking you as the SQLite team, Is that ok?

Yes, it is ok.
--
D. Richard Hipp <dr...@hw...>

---- snip ----

We can pick the name contains "SQLite" in it. Still not found the
right name here.
--=20
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)

Fwd: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Felipe L. <ff...@gm...>]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...>
Date: Sep 16, 2005 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?
To: fi...@gm...

We might just cut off the "PHP"....SQLiteAdmin...Or WebSQLiteAdmin...Well=
=20
Don't know actually....

Yves, What you think about it? I mean, about changing your project's=20
name....You haven't said anything about it yet....Your word is the one that=
=20
really matters here ;-)

Best Regards

Felipe Lopes

On 9/16/05, Firman Wandayandi <fi...@gm...> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Guys!
>=20
> On 9/15/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> > IMHO, we should pick a new name for our project. In our case, we have=
=20
> PHP
> > and SQLite on our name :-/=20
> >
>=20
> I've been privately emailed D. Richard Hipp as SQLite team for asking
> about permission of using "SQLite" in our project name. And he said
> it's ok.
>=20
> Here my email and replies:
> ---- snip ----=20
>=20
> From: Firman Wandayandi <fi...@gm...>
> Reply-To: fi...@gm...
> To: "D. Richard Hipp" < dr...@hw...>
> Date: Sep 16, 2005 9:25 AM
> Subject: phpSQLiteAdmin Project Naming Issues
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> We have naming issues in our project name (phpSQLiteAdmin,
> http://phpsqliteadmin.sourceforge.net)<http://phpsqliteadmin.sourceforge.=
net%29>,=20
> as you knew this project focus
> on SQLite database administration and we use "PHP" and "SQLite" in the
> project's name. PHP group sugested that we shouldn't use "PHP" in the=20
> project's name and we agreed to renaming our project name. We will
> removing the "PHP" in it and now for "SQLite".
>=20
> Consider on what's this project for, it's more clear for peoples to
> know that the software is SQLite tool if we use "SQLite" in the=20
> project's name.
>=20
> Seems no violation with SQLite's copyright agreement.
>=20
> To make sure, so I asking you as the SQLite team, Is that ok?
>=20
> Regards,
> --
> Firman Wandayandi
> Never Dreamt Before ( http://php.hm/~firman/ <http://php.hm/%7Efirman/>)
>=20
> --------
>=20
> From: D. Richard Hipp <dr...@hw...> Mailed-By: hwaci.com<http://hwaci.c=
om>
> To: fi...@gm...
> Date: Sep 16, 2005 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: phpSQLiteAdmin Project Naming Issues
>=20
> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:25 +0700, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
>=20
> > Seems no violation with SQLite's copyright agreement.=20
> >
> > To make sure, so I asking you as the SQLite team, Is that ok?
>=20
> Yes, it is ok.
> --
> D. Richard Hipp <dr...@hw...>
>=20
> ---- snip ----
>=20
> We can pick the name contains "SQLite" in it. Still not found the=20
> right name here.
> --
> Firman Wandayandi
> Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/ <http://php.hm/%7Efirman/>)
>=20
>=20
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On 9/16/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> We might just cut off the "PHP"....SQLiteAdmin...Or WebSQLiteAdmin...Well
> Don't know actually....
> =20

Here the possibly names:
1. SQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
2. WebSQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
3. SQLiteWorks (Me)

>  Yves, What you think about it? I mean, about changing your project's
> name....You haven't said anything about it yet....Your word is the one th=
at
> really matters here ;-)
> =20

Yeah, Felipe right. Tell us your comments Yves.

Regards,
--=20
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> On 9/16/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> 
>>We might just cut off the "PHP"....SQLiteAdmin...Or WebSQLiteAdmin...Well
>>Don't know actually....
>> 
> 
> 
> Here the possibly names:
> 1. SQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> 2. WebSQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> 3. SQLiteWorks (Me)
> 
> 
>> Yves, What you think about it? I mean, about changing your project's
>>name....You haven't said anything about it yet....Your word is the one that
>>really matters here ;-)
>> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, Felipe right. Tell us your comments Yves.
> 
> Regards,

Hi (and sorry for being late...),

I have been quite busy at work these days and must admit I did not spend 
too much time on this yet...

So far, honestly, I can not really share the renaming-enthusiasm... If 
we would apply the same rule than we would apply for the "PHP" part in 
the name, we would also have to remove sqlite from the name... no?

I understand that for the phpsqliteadmin user it does not matter in what 
language it is written.

But, on the other hand, on unix, traditionally many softwares include 
the name (or parts of) of the tool(kit)s they have been written in 
(qcad, gtkam, gtk-gnutella, qtparted, wxprojman, php*, g*, k*, etc...)

Apart of that, renaming will cause work, which needs time, which whould 
be better invested in coding... (sorry I know I am the least-good placed 
to speak about...)


Comments...?

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On 9/16/05, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > On 9/16/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> >>We might just cut off the "PHP"....SQLiteAdmin...Or WebSQLiteAdmin...We=
ll
> >>Don't know actually....
> >>
> >
> >
> > Here the possibly names:
> > 1. SQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> > 2. WebSQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> > 3. SQLiteWorks (Me)
> >
> >
> >> Yves, What you think about it? I mean, about changing your project's
> >>name....You haven't said anything about it yet....Your word is the one =
that
> >>really matters here ;-)
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yeah, Felipe right. Tell us your comments Yves.
> >
> > Regards,
>=20
> Hi (and sorry for being late...),
>=20
> I have been quite busy at work these days and must admit I did not spend
> too much time on this yet...
>=20
> So far, honestly, I can not really share the renaming-enthusiasm... If
> we would apply the same rule than we would apply for the "PHP" part in
> the name, we would also have to remove sqlite from the name... no?
>=20

No, we shouldn't remove the "SQLite" part.

> I understand that for the phpsqliteadmin user it does not matter in what
> language it is written.
>=20
> But, on the other hand, on unix, traditionally many softwares include
> the name (or parts of) of the tool(kit)s they have been written in
> (qcad, gtkam, gtk-gnutella, qtparted, wxprojman, php*, g*, k*, etc...)
>=20
> Apart of that, renaming will cause work, which needs time, which whould
> be better invested in coding... (sorry I know I am the least-good placed
> to speak about...)
>=20
>=20
> Comments...?
>=20
>=20

Yeah, I'm right to trust you Yves. I'm even never thought about our
cost if we renaming it and also about invested.

Now, I'm sure! I think we shouldn't rename this project, let's goes on
the phpSQLiteAdmin and beat the others. Everyone knew, that
phpSQLiteAdmin's bugs aren't PHP bugs anyway :-D. But we play the old
drama like phpMyAdmin, phpPgAdmin, phpOracleAdmin, php-nuke, phpWiki,
phpAuction, uh I don't want to tell all of them here :P, nevermind you
right Yves, I agreed!

Thanks Yves.
--=20
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Felipe L. <ff...@gm...>]

I knew Yves would not agree...I think he is right....His arguments make=20
sense...Let's move on and forget it...We should be worried about our code,=
=20
not about its (already nice) name.
 Besides that, we (yves) does have some rights over the name, as he created=
=20
it from scratch..Not sure if Firman knows about it, but some time ago we ha=
d=20
a problem w/ other project that STILL (I guess) carries the same name of=20
ours. If you check our forum @ sf.net <http://sf.net>, you will see people=
=20
asking about the other project...Changing phpSQLiteAdmin name is like if we=
=20
give up our rights.
 And I disagree when Yves says ppl don't mind what language is used by the=
=20
project....(I would never run an ASP app.....I might consider run a k* app=
=20
sometime in the future though :-P)
 Anyway....Lets move on
 Let's focus our time on coding, please
 Felipe Fontana Lopes
 On 9/16/05, Firman Wandayandi <fi...@gm...> wrote:=20
>=20
> On 9/16/05, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > > On 9/16/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>We might just cut off the "PHP"....SQLiteAdmin...Or=20
> WebSQLiteAdmin...Well
> > >>Don't know actually....
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Here the possibly names:
> > > 1. SQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> > > 2. WebSQLiteAdmin (Felipe)
> > > 3. SQLiteWorks (Me)
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yves, What you think about it? I mean, about changing your project's
> > >>name....You haven't said anything about it yet....Your word is the on=
e=20
> that
> > >>really matters here ;-)
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, Felipe right. Tell us your comments Yves.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > Hi (and sorry for being late...),
> >
> > I have been quite busy at work these days and must admit I did not spen=
d
> > too much time on this yet...
> >
> > So far, honestly, I can not really share the renaming-enthusiasm... If
> > we would apply the same rule than we would apply for the "PHP" part in
> > the name, we would also have to remove sqlite from the name... no?
> >
>=20
> No, we shouldn't remove the "SQLite" part.
>=20
> > I understand that for the phpsqliteadmin user it does not matter in wha=
t
> > language it is written.
> >
> > But, on the other hand, on unix, traditionally many softwares include
> > the name (or parts of) of the tool(kit)s they have been written in
> > (qcad, gtkam, gtk-gnutella, qtparted, wxprojman, php*, g*, k*, etc...)
> >
> > Apart of that, renaming will cause work, which needs time, which whould
> > be better invested in coding... (sorry I know I am the least-good place=
d
> > to speak about...)
> >
> >
> > Comments...?
> >
> >
>=20
> Yeah, I'm right to trust you Yves. I'm even never thought about our
> cost if we renaming it and also about invested.
>=20
> Now, I'm sure! I think we shouldn't rename this project, let's goes on
> the phpSQLiteAdmin and beat the others. Everyone knew, that
> phpSQLiteAdmin's bugs aren't PHP bugs anyway :-D. But we play the old
> drama like phpMyAdmin, phpPgAdmin, phpOracleAdmin, php-nuke, phpWiki,
> phpAuction, uh I don't want to tell all of them here :P, nevermind you
> right Yves, I agreed!
>=20
> Thanks Yves.
> --
> Firman Wandayandi
> Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)
>=20
>=20
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Renaming the project?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On 9/17/05, Felipe Lopes <ff...@gm...> wrote:
> I knew Yves would not agree...I think he is right....His arguments make
> sense...Let's move on and forget it...We should be worried about our code=
,
> not about its (already nice) name.=20
>=20

Agreed!

> Besides that, we (yves) does have some rights over the name, as he create=
d
> it from scratch..Not sure if Firman knows about it, but some time ago we =
had
> a problem w/ other project that STILL (I guess) carries the same name of
> ours. If you check our forum @ sf.net, you will see people asking about t=
he
> other project...Changing phpSQLiteAdmin name is like if we give up our
> rights.=20
>  =20

I knew that, It's Ricard's project and I knew him. But seem the
project was idled at this time, I dunno he's continue the project or
not.

> And I disagree when Yves says ppl don't mind what language is used by the
> project....(I would never run an ASP app.....I might consider run a k* ap=
p
> sometime in the future though :-P)=20
>  =20
> Anyway....Lets move on=20
>  =20
> Let's focus our time on coding, please=20
>  =20

Yep, let's move on. But, I'm has bad mood on coding right now, will do
it later :-)

--=20
Firman Wandayandi
Never Dreamt Before (http://php.hm/~firman/)