Re: I still love this web app.. but no developer activity!?

[Jan K. <jan...@ja...>]

I don't get exactly what you intend to communicate in this mail, but
converting phpshell to a different language would not be a good idea. I use
phpshell for crappy webhosts that don't provide normal ssh access (or do it
very poorly). These webhosts often have just php available and no other
scripting languages. As far as I know just about all python/ruby webhosts
also provide ssh, so just use that then. If you want to access a shell
through a webbrowser where you can run your own programs, have a look at
Shell in a Box.


On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:31 PM, John Bessa <joh...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi all, It is nice to have all this attention (all of a sudden)
>
> In fairness to Perl and Shell(s), they are very good in their contexts
> which is low level control of the OS.  Perl was first to be a Web
> server, but that was 17 yrs ago, and 12 yrs ago it was basically
> "killed" by the tech crash of 2000, and also the terror event on Sept
> 11, 2001 at the World Trade Center, as influential NYC CPU community
> was meeting in those very buildings and thriving because of financial
> technology.
>
> The history of Perl is a long topic far beyond the scope of this
> group, but suffice to say it halted on a certain date with all its
> projects becoming sad shipwrecks on the beaches of the information
> sea.  There were unquestionably  maladaptive issues along (such as
> continual violent flaming sometimes manifested as physical threats)
> that may have added to its demise by allowing, well, mental illness to
> control the basic design.  I actually heard Larry Walls say a certain
> concept should be inserted by saying it "is sick."  Telling indeed!
>
> Having said that, I am planning to deconstruct the Oddmuse wiki, which
> is written in perl, to created a tool for collaborative creation to
> understand its structure.
>
> SInce mobwrite is the collaboration vehicle of choice (used and tested
> by Google Docs which has suddenly become useless because of Ajax
> problems) then the suggestion for using Python seems appropriate
> because the server is written in Python.  As is, the document state
> control in Mobwrite is separate from the saving features when it is
> implemented with, say, a wiki.
>
> So perhaps the underlying toolset of this PHP shell should be
> converted to Python so that it can be implemented into bigger systems.
>  Or perhaps PHP be organized to give it the benefits of Python and
> mobwrite binaries inserted into a PHP.
>
> Thus one gets the two necessary features of web expression:  textual
> creation and system control.  Within this needs to be a development
> system (so that the user can actually control his technological
> destiny) that actually wraps the two.
>
> As is you barely get either, and nothing combines them.  Pretty sad
> after about a 1/4 century of Internet, wouldn't you say?
>
> Regards, John
>
>
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