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[Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[<wo...@sw...>]

Hi all,

As someone who mostly lurks on this list, but has a few small apps 
the use phplib, I would like to upgrade them to php4. Could someone 
make a release of the files needed for this? I have seen all the 
discussions on CVS confusion, patches, the new auth code (not part of 
phplib), etc and it is a very confusing mess in my mind and I have 
been reluctant to try to change anything on my currently working php3 
environment.

I think this would really help others that might be interested in 
this and we have not had a phplib release, official or un-official in 
a while. This to my mind is one of the biggest problems that makes 
phplib less an viable.

-Steve

Re: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Joe S. <jo...@be...>]

Hello, since no one else chimed in, I'll keep the discussion going...

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:52:27AM -0400, wo...@sw... wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As someone who mostly lurks on this list, but has a few small apps 
> the use phplib, I would like to upgrade them to php4. Could someone 
> make a release of the files needed for this? 

PHPLib works great with PHP4.  I suggest downloading 7.4-pre1.  Especially 
if you use template.inc.

> I have seen all the 
> discussions on CVS confusion, patches, the new auth code (not part of 
> phplib), etc and it is a very confusing mess in my mind and I have 
> been reluctant to try to change anything on my currently working php3 
> environment.
> 

If the front page at phplib.sf.net was more clear that PHPLIB functions 
with php4, would that help?  Maybe a more prominent note in the 
documentation than "(we recommend 3.0.12 or newer for this release of the 
library)"?

Suggestions are appreciated.

As a side note. - The current development discussion is about moving PHP4 
Session support into the stable tree of PHPLIB completely and getting a 
development release out for testing.


> I think this would really help others that might be interested in 
> this and we have not had a phplib release, official or un-official in 
> a while. This to my mind is one of the biggest problems that makes 
> phplib less an viable.
> 

agreed.

later,

Joe

> -Steve
> 

Re: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[<wo...@sw...>]

Joe,

Thank you for your response. It was very helpful in understanding 
what the situation is. I think making a clearer statement on sf would 
help. You might also consider a statement of short term goals and 
longer term goals if they exist.

Thanks all,
  -Steve

On 22 Sep 2002 at 9:19, Joe Stewart wrote:

> Hello, since no one else chimed in, I'll keep the discussion going...
> 
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:52:27AM -0400, wo...@sw...
> wrote: > Hi all, > > As someone who mostly lurks on this list, but has
> a few small apps > the use phplib, I would like to upgrade them to
> php4. Could someone > make a release of the files needed for this? 
> 
> PHPLib works great with PHP4.  I suggest downloading 7.4-pre1. 
> Especially if you use template.inc.
> 
> > I have seen all the 
> > discussions on CVS confusion, patches, the new auth code (not part
> > of phplib), etc and it is a very confusing mess in my mind and I
> > have been reluctant to try to change anything on my currently
> > working php3 environment.
> > 
> 
> If the front page at phplib.sf.net was more clear that PHPLIB
> functions with php4, would that help?  Maybe a more prominent note in
> the documentation than "(we recommend 3.0.12 or newer for this release
> of the library)"?
> 
> Suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> As a side note. - The current development discussion is about moving
> PHP4 Session support into the stable tree of PHPLIB completely and
> getting a development release out for testing.
> 
> 
> > I think this would really help others that might be interested in
> > this and we have not had a phplib release, official or un-official
> > in a while. This to my mind is one of the biggest problems that
> > makes phplib less an viable.
> > 
> 
> agreed.
> 
> later,
> 
> Joe
> 
> > -Steve
> > 
> 
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R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Gaetano G. <giu...@se...>]

>=20
> As someone who mostly lurks on this list, but has a few small apps=20
> the use phplib, I would like to upgrade them to php4. Could someone=20
> make a release of the files needed for this? I have seen all the=20
> discussions on CVS confusion, patches, the new auth code (not part of=20
> phplib), etc and it is a very confusing mess in my mind and I have=20
> been reluctant to try to change anything on my currently working php3=20
> environment.
>=20
> I think this would really help others that might be interested in=20
> this and we have not had a phplib release, official or un-official in=20
> a while. This to my mind is one of the biggest problems that makes=20
> phplib less an viable.
>=20

Not to be a troll, but I wholeheartedly agree with this post.
I've been looking at the files in CVS, but find it very hard to =
understand the development going on in there: some files sport older =
version numbers that the files that are part of the 7.4-pre1 release, =
the changes file is quite different, some files are present more than =
once in different directories...
I must confess my experience with CVS is close to null: am I looking at =
a wrong branch or missing something else?

Thanks, Gaetano

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Marko K. <Mar...@mc...>]

Hi,

> numbers that the files that are part of the 7.4-pre1 release, the
> changes file is quite different, some files are present more than once
> in different directories... I must confess my experience with CVS is
> close to null: am I looking at a wrong branch or missing something
> else?
I think this is not your lack of CVS abilities. It's just a fact that the
stable and development tree is not really up to date. There was alot of
activity a year ago, but for some reason working on the tree faded out.
Already 1 or 2 years ago it wasn't so easy to find somebody who would
organize and structure it a bit more, as I understood at that time. Since
a year, as said before, activities faded out.

But NOW, now it looks like interest is growing again and I am happy to see
that there are some ambitious people (don't need to name them, just look
at the list archive for the past time) who seem to take control of it now
again.

I think this is the main thing at the moment: strategical decisions need
to be done, a new release needs to made (including session4 stuff as well
as the currently improoving session4_custom) with better instructions how
to install all of its components properly. Only by doing so acceptance by
new users will be achieved. I am not an phplib expert, but I am happy that
I found this library almost 2 years ago now. Since then I use it very
succesfully and I think it has alot of potential. But only with a bigger
user community it will have a chance to survive and prevent us from
migrating to PEAR!

Marko

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Giancarlo <gia...@na...>]

Il 10:35, luned=EC 23 settembre 2002, Gaetano Giunta ha scritto:
> Not to be a troll, but I wholeheartedly agree with this post.
> I've been looking at the files in CVS, but find it very hard to underst=
and
> the development going on in there: some files sport older version numbe=
rs
> that the files that are part of the 7.4-pre1 release, the changes file =
is
> quite different, some files are present more than once in different
> directories... I must confess my experience with CVS is close to null: =
am I
> looking at a wrong branch or missing something else?
>
> Thanks, Gaetano
>

My direct experience, yesterday:
downloaded the php-lib branch (not the -stable one).
modified prepend.php libdir (of course), applied Joe's patch to session4,=
 and=20
set up everything as per session4.

quirks I noticed with the kris/test :

-page4.inc needs not to be in prepend, Only the sligtly modified page.inc=
,=20
that does freeze even if phpversion is 4 (see previous Joe's and me's=20
messages). So, same page.inc for all
-table.inc was not found by showoff.php. Now it has moved under=20
html/table.ic. just copied it back into the php dir
- file php/auth/sql/auth.inc does include registerform.ihtml without=20
prepending _PHPLIB[libdir], so it does not find it

Nothing else. it seems

Anyway it is helpfull to have at least this kris/test benchmark working. =
But=20
I know it is not a sufficient test suite..

Gian

Gian

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Richard A. <rh...@ju...>]

>downloaded the php-lib branch (not the -stable one).

That tree contains highly experimental code that is largely incomplete.
It should never be used in a production environment (if indeed that's
possible given it's inconsistent state).

That tree is used purely as a source of interesting ideas for future
development in the -stable tree. I think the only stuff left in there
that hasn't been merged into the -stable tree is the PHP4 session bits.
So once that's done we'll hopefully be able to delete that tree and
save everyone a lot of angst.

The -stable tree is as it's name implies stable. It should be possible
to use the code from it as a drop-in replacement for any reasonably
modern (like 2-3 year old) PHPLIB installation.

 ...Richard.

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Giancarlo <gia...@na...>]

Il 13:44, luned=EC 23 settembre 2002, hai scritto:
> >downloaded the php-lib branch (not the -stable one).
>
> That tree contains highly experimental code that is largely incomplete.
> It should never be used in a production environment (if indeed that's
> possible given it's inconsistent state).

So what should I merge to test session4 functionalities (w/o reg_globs) w=
ith=20
php-lib-stable?

are those:

php/auth, php/auth/sql (and various subdirs)
php/db, php/db/mysql,mssql  (and various subdirs)
php/ext php/ext/template (and various subdirs)
php/form (and various subdirs)
php/html
php/session

to be eliminated/moved into php/? and thus the include mechanism in=20
prepend.php3 be modified accordingly?

Gian

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Joe S. <jo...@be...>]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 02:10:48PM +0200, Giancarlo wrote:
> Il 13:44, lunedì 23 settembre 2002, hai scritto:
> > >downloaded the php-lib branch (not the -stable one).
> >
> > That tree contains highly experimental code that is largely incomplete.
> > It should never be used in a production environment (if indeed that's
> > possible given it's inconsistent state).
> 
> So what should I merge to test session4 functionalities (w/o reg_globs) with 
> php-lib-stable?
>

Try this:

update your local cvs from php-lib-stable

Copy unsup/Session4_Custom.inc and /unsup/User4.inc to php/ directory.

Copy php/session/session4.inc from php-lib tree to 
php/session/session4.inc
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/phplib/php-lib/php/session/session4.inc

Modify prepend and local to use these classes as needed.

This is mainly from this page:  
http://xeer.blogspot.com/2002_06_01_xeer_archive.html

Joe 
 
> are those:
> 
> php/auth, php/auth/sql (and various subdirs)
> php/db, php/db/mysql,mssql  (and various subdirs)
> php/ext php/ext/template (and various subdirs)
> php/form (and various subdirs)
> php/html
> php/session
> 
> to be eliminated/moved into php/? and thus the include mechanism in 
> prepend.php3 be modified accordingly?
> 
> Gian
> 

Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Dr T. S. <ta...@sa...>]

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Giancarlo wrote:

> My direct experience, yesterday:
> downloaded the php-lib branch (not the -stable one).

Anything which is to be released should come from -stable branch

Yes you are right - undocumented/expert uses of functions like
freeze() will not work BUT then the persons who are using PHPlib this way
can be expected to know what is wrong  and contribute back.

So folks where are we on the PHP4lib release?

Does anyone know if there is any other library by the name PHP4lib - if no
then let us use the name (atleast internally).

Tarique

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Re: R: [Phplib-users] phplib for php4 release?

[Joe S. <jo...@be...>]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 05:34:32PM +0530, Dr Tarique Sani wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Giancarlo wrote:
> 
> So folks where are we on the PHP4lib release?
> 

Files need to be moved in -stable cvs.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=549660&group_id=31885&atid=403611

Testing - esp. auth.inc.

Other patches at sf.net included?

> Does anyone know if there is any other library by the name PHP4lib - if no
> then let us use the name (atleast internally).
> 

I think this would just cause more confusion.

thanks,

Joe

> Tarique
>