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[Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living - how?!

[Cassidy <eam...@ho...>]

I'd like to setup an account for my youngest daughter so she can edit and
accept changes to 4 relationship levels of our family.  However when I do so
it allows her to edit / accept withing the four levels as I might expect BUT
it also allows her to edit the dead who are more than 4 relationship steps
away.  any tips would be greatly appreciated!!
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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living - how?!

[John F. <Joh...@ne...>]

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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living - how?!

[Cassidy <eam...@ho...>]

John,

Many thanks for taking the time to reply.  Much appreciated.
We could not figure a way to do this, so I understand your answer!
It is a pity this is not possible as we have a large implementation brewing
and we were hoping to have people from the wider family just edit their
branch of the family tree and let them "accept" their own changes without
haveing them reviewed - but while allowing them to see their more distant
ancestors, we wanted to stop them from changing them.
Back to the drawing board!



John Finlay-2 wrote:
> 
> Editing is defined so that you can edit anyone that you can see.  This
> means that she would be able to edit any dead people.  There is not
> currently a workaround for this.
> 
> However, most people don't have a problem because they always have the
> option to review any changes that are made and then accept or reject them. 
> So if your daughter does change something that you don't want her to you
> can always undo it.
> 
> --John
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: php...@li... [mailto:phpgedview-
>> tal...@li...] On Behalf Of Cassidy
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:51 PM
>> To: php...@li...
>> Subject: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -
>> how?!
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to setup an account for my youngest daughter so she can edit and
>> accept changes to 4 relationship levels of our family.  However when I do
>> so
>> it allows her to edit / accept withing the four levels as I might expect
>> BUT
>> it also allows her to edit the dead who are more than 4 relationship
>> steps
>> away.  any tips would be greatly appreciated!!
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>> secure-as-the-Living---how-%21-tf4715418.html#a13479348
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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living - how?!

[Nathan Watson-H. <na...@wa...>]

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Hi John,

I'm interested about this limitation and your reason for not having an
option to limit editing by relationships.

Could you orientate me with a more technical description and point me
towards some code? It seems a good place for me to start becoming more
familiar with the source code.

Cheers
Nath


John Finlay wrote:
> For the most part, relatives will play nice and they won't change people that they shouldn't.
> 
> Another option is to have several acceptors who you trust who will review each edit of the broader family to help divide up the work.
> 
> Another approach would be to split your gedcom up into multiple files, one for each of the main families you want people to edit.  Then you could link them together.
> 
> The biggest reason why we haven't added the option to limit editing by relationships is because calculating relationships is a slow process and you would have to run through that process every time you visit a page.  Also, you probably want people to be able to edit *any* of their ancestors no matter how far back they go, but you don't want them to edit the ancestors of their in-laws.  Standard relationship privacy doesn't allow you to go up to infinity in one direction but not in another direction.  Anyway, a technical problem I have yet to find a good solution for.  Right now splitting into multiple GEDCOMS is the best solution to that problem.
> 
> --John
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: php...@li... [mailto:phpgedview-
>> tal...@li...] On Behalf Of Cassidy
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:57 PM
>> To: php...@li...
>> Subject: Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -
>> how?!
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Many thanks for taking the time to reply.  Much appreciated.
>> We could not figure a way to do this, so I understand your answer!
>> It is a pity this is not possible as we have a large implementation
>> brewing
>> and we were hoping to have people from the wider family just edit their
>> branch of the family tree and let them "accept" their own changes without
>> haveing them reviewed - but while allowing them to see their more distant
>> ancestors, we wanted to stop them from changing them.
>> Back to the drawing board!
>>
>>
>>
>> John Finlay-2 wrote:
>>> Editing is defined so that you can edit anyone that you can see.  This
>>> means that she would be able to edit any dead people.  There is not
>>> currently a workaround for this.
>>>
>>> However, most people don't have a problem because they always have the
>>> option to review any changes that are made and then accept or reject
>> them.
>>> So if your daughter does change something that you don't want her to you
>>> can always undo it.
>>>
>>> --John
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: php...@li... [mailto:phpgedview-
>>>> tal...@li...] On Behalf Of Cassidy
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:51 PM
>>>> To: php...@li...
>>>> Subject: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -
>>>> how?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to setup an account for my youngest daughter so she can edit
>> and
>>>> accept changes to 4 relationship levels of our family.  However when I
>> do
>>>> so
>>>> it allows her to edit / accept withing the four levels as I might
>> expect
>>>> BUT
>>>> it also allows her to edit the dead who are more than 4 relationship
>>>> steps
>>>> away.  any tips would be greatly appreciated!!
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Making-the-dead-as-
>>>> secure-as-the-Living---how-%21-tf4715418.html#a13479348
>>>> Sent from the phpgedview-talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -how?!

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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -how?!

[Ralph S. <so...@ir...>]

I really do not see why controlling editing should be so complicated!

Assume that we have an admin for the database.  This person is allowed to edit
all!  Assume now a user database including ids and groups.  All changes therein
have to be confirmed by the admin.

To control editing of the tree, just add a field to each database node, which
has either an id no. or group no.  Then if person x has a right to edit node y
that node has to be in the same group as x.

Of, course this information can be visible to x, but only readonly; changes are
made by admin.

Thus no tree traversal is necessary for editing ANY node.

Those are my 25 cents,

	--Ralph

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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -how?!

[John F. <Joh...@ne...>]

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[John F. <Joh...@ne...>]

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Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -how?!

[Cassidy <eam...@ho...>]

Many, many thanks for all the suggestions ... I will try them out this
weekend (except for the coding ones that is!!!) and let you all know what we
decided, in the hope that it helps someone else who reads this thread later.



John Finlay-2 wrote:
> 
> I forgot one other feature.
> 
> If you enable the Quick Update feature, then regular, "non-editing," users
> will be able to use it to edit only their close relatives (parents,
> siblings, and children).  This is the most limited editing you can allow. 
> But their changes are not automatically accepted.
> 
> --John
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: php...@li... [mailto:phpgedview-
>> tal...@li...] On Behalf Of John Finlay
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:52 AM
>> To: All About PhpGedView
>> Subject: Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -
>> how?!
>> 
>> For the most part, relatives will play nice and they won't change people
>> that they shouldn't.
>> 
>> Another option is to have several acceptors who you trust who will review
>> each edit of the broader family to help divide up the work.
>> 
>> Another approach would be to split your gedcom up into multiple files,
>> one
>> for each of the main families you want people to edit.  Then you could
>> link them together.
>> 
>> The biggest reason why we haven't added the option to limit editing by
>> relationships is because calculating relationships is a slow process and
>> you would have to run through that process every time you visit a page.
>> Also, you probably want people to be able to edit *any* of their
>> ancestors
>> no matter how far back they go, but you don't want them to edit the
>> ancestors of their in-laws.  Standard relationship privacy doesn't allow
>> you to go up to infinity in one direction but not in another direction.
>> Anyway, a technical problem I have yet to find a good solution for. 
>> Right
>> now splitting into multiple GEDCOMS is the best solution to that problem.
>> 
>> --John
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: php...@li... [mailto:phpgedview-
>> > tal...@li...] On Behalf Of Cassidy
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:57 PM
>> > To: php...@li...
>> > Subject: Re: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living
>> -
>> > how?!
>> >
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Many thanks for taking the time to reply.  Much appreciated.
>> > We could not figure a way to do this, so I understand your answer!
>> > It is a pity this is not possible as we have a large implementation
>> > brewing
>> > and we were hoping to have people from the wider family just edit their
>> > branch of the family tree and let them "accept" their own changes
>> without
>> > haveing them reviewed - but while allowing them to see their more
>> distant
>> > ancestors, we wanted to stop them from changing them.
>> > Back to the drawing board!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John Finlay-2 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Editing is defined so that you can edit anyone that you can see. 
>> This
>> > > means that she would be able to edit any dead people.  There is not
>> > > currently a workaround for this.
>> > >
>> > > However, most people don't have a problem because they always have
>> the
>> > > option to review any changes that are made and then accept or reject
>> > them.
>> > > So if your daughter does change something that you don't want her to
>> you
>> > > can always undo it.
>> > >
>> > > --John
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: php...@li...
>> [mailto:phpgedview-
>> > >> tal...@li...] On Behalf Of Cassidy
>> > >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:51 PM
>> > >> To: php...@li...
>> > >> Subject: [Phpgedview-talk] Making the dead as secure as the Living -
>> > >> how?!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I'd like to setup an account for my youngest daughter so she can
>> edit
>> > and
>> > >> accept changes to 4 relationship levels of our family.  However when
>> I
>> > do
>> > >> so
>> > >> it allows her to edit / accept withing the four levels as I might
>> > expect
>> > >> BUT
>> > >> it also allows her to edit the dead who are more than 4 relationship
>> > >> steps
>> > >> away.  any tips would be greatly appreciated!!
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