Tome once explained that the NICK tag is the correct one. Since FTM and other programs incorectly use ALIA he put in some support to properly display the name from the ALIA tag as well
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NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME: = {Size=1:30}
[ <NAME_PIECE> | <NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME>, <NAME_PIECE> ]
A descriptive or familiar name used in connection with one's proper name.
or use a second NAME tag
Multiple Names :
GEDCOM 5.x requires listing different names in different NAME structures, with the preferred instance first, followed by less preferred names. However, Personal Ancestral File and other products that only handle one name may use only the last instance of a name from a GEDCOM transmission. This causes the preferred name to be dropped when more than one name is present. The same thing often happens with other multiple-instance tags when only one instance was expected by the receiving system. PAF and other products that handle one name only may drop the preferred name under this arrangement.
So in your example
1 NAME Betty /Smith/
2 NICK Betty Steed-Smith
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
or
1 NAME Betty /Smith/
1 SEX F
1 NAME Betty /Steed-Smith/
1 BIRT
But notice the caveat above, which says that some programs which aren't fully GEDCOM 5.5 compatible might misinterpret the two NAME tags.
In PAF there is a field explicitely for married names. In the Gedcom it looks like this:
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME Anna /Sjouke/
2 SURN Sjouke
2 GIVN Anna
2 _MARNM Jansen-Sjouke
I never tried to find out how PGV handles this, because I don't use this field.
Boudewijn.
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Happily here in the Netherlands at marriage it's only a choice between your own (maiden) name and surname of husband - maidenname. In "speech" often only the husbands surname is used in the last option.
It may be that the different programs use different tags for this fact.
To be flexible, I always use a persons maidenname as "name". In the "married name" in PAF you can type whatever you want, PAF adds nothing to it and doesn't do anything with it. Exept exporting it of course :-)
PGV displays the _MARNM tag in the name-header of the individual screen. That is, if the fact is added to the facts.xx.extra file.
Boudewijn.
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No, in the Netherlands the husband keeps his own surname, only the wife can choose to use the husbands surname or her own. Children get the husbands surname by default, but parents can choose to give it the wife's surname.
In PAF it's a person-related fact, not a marriage-related. The advantage is that you can apply it to both, either of neither partners, the disadvantage is that, in case of divorce and 2nd marriage, you can only note the marriage-name in one of the two marriages.
Bye,
Boudewijn.
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Hi...
a cousin of mine has married and didn't take the surname of her husband. She took a double name.
Example:
Betty Smith married John Steed and now Betty is called Betty Steed-Smith
Is there a gedview tag to add this information to the data of Betty and if so which tag is it?
bye, Kurt
Hi Kurt
In older versions of GEDCOM it used to be ALIA, and some manufacturer still uses this tag. However, ALIA is not a valid tag in GEDCOM 5.5
In Brothers Keepers a tag like _AKAN can be used, but to my knowledge there are no replacement tag for ALIA in GEDCOM 5.5 other than NICK
best regard and Happy New Year
Arne
Tome once explained that the NICK tag is the correct one. Since FTM and other programs incorectly use ALIA he put in some support to properly display the name from the ALIA tag as well
You can either user the NICK tag
NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME: = {Size=1:30}
[ <NAME_PIECE> | <NAME_PIECE_NICKNAME>, <NAME_PIECE> ]
A descriptive or familiar name used in connection with one's proper name.
or use a second NAME tag
Multiple Names :
GEDCOM 5.x requires listing different names in different NAME structures, with the preferred instance first, followed by less preferred names. However, Personal Ancestral File and other products that only handle one name may use only the last instance of a name from a GEDCOM transmission. This causes the preferred name to be dropped when more than one name is present. The same thing often happens with other multiple-instance tags when only one instance was expected by the receiving system. PAF and other products that handle one name only may drop the preferred name under this arrangement.
So in your example
1 NAME Betty /Smith/
2 NICK Betty Steed-Smith
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
or
1 NAME Betty /Smith/
1 SEX F
1 NAME Betty /Steed-Smith/
1 BIRT
But notice the caveat above, which says that some programs which aren't fully GEDCOM 5.5 compatible might misinterpret the two NAME tags.
GEDCOM quotes taken from
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gctoc.htm
Mark Hattam
Thanks all for the help :-)
Happy New Year 2004
Bye, Kurt
Hi Kurt,
In PAF there is a field explicitely for married names. In the Gedcom it looks like this:
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME Anna /Sjouke/
2 SURN Sjouke
2 GIVN Anna
2 _MARNM Jansen-Sjouke
I never tried to find out how PGV handles this, because I don't use this field.
Boudewijn.
Hi Boudewijn...
Thanks for your comment. First I thought this is it but it is not :-(
In Geramyn there are some strange rules for the surnames after a marriage.
The woman may choose
the name of her husband,
her old surname - the surname of her husband,
the surname of her husband - her old surname, only her old surname
The same is for the husband...
So it is not only the marriage name both partners have after a marriage :-(
Hi Kurt,
Happily here in the Netherlands at marriage it's only a choice between your own (maiden) name and surname of husband - maidenname. In "speech" often only the husbands surname is used in the last option.
It may be that the different programs use different tags for this fact.
To be flexible, I always use a persons maidenname as "name". In the "married name" in PAF you can type whatever you want, PAF adds nothing to it and doesn't do anything with it. Exept exporting it of course :-)
PGV displays the _MARNM tag in the name-header of the individual screen. That is, if the fact is added to the facts.xx.extra file.
Boudewijn.
Hi Boudewijn...
Is this name also used for the husband???
As I understood PAF should use it for the woman and the man because it is a marrigae fact???
bye, Kurt
Hi Kurt,
No, in the Netherlands the husband keeps his own surname, only the wife can choose to use the husbands surname or her own. Children get the husbands surname by default, but parents can choose to give it the wife's surname.
In PAF it's a person-related fact, not a marriage-related. The advantage is that you can apply it to both, either of neither partners, the disadvantage is that, in case of divorce and 2nd marriage, you can only note the marriage-name in one of the two marriages.
Bye,
Boudewijn.