adding parent made easier

  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-28

    So my wife added her father. Then I went to help her add her mother.
    This is no easy task. Rather than having to find the family view in order to add a mother, it would be nice to be able to add siblings, and parents straight from an individual user.

    While it's not unintuitive right now, it's not very straight forward to know that you have to go into the family mode either.

  • Stephen Arnold

    Stephen Arnold - 2009-11-28

    Dear ??  
    this question would better have been discussed on the HELP forum rather than this one.  

    The addition of father or mother is easiest from the INDI page > Close Relatives tab. The addition of one parent (or a sibling) will create the FAM unit record. Parents can also be added via the Quick Update Edit function in the options menu if this feature is acttivated, although most of us strongly recommend against its use for several reasons, the primary one being the lack of SOUR support for fact addtions.  

    Once a FAM record is created, additions and modifications can be made via three methods:  
    1) From the INDI record page > Close Relatives Tab (I call it FAMILY), you can add a second parent or siblings;  
    2) From the FAMILY with PARENTS page (FAM record), best arrived at via the Navigator function, parents and siblings can be added, as well as pertinent FAM record facts and events.  
    3) Again, from the much besmirched Quick Update edit function.  

    Are addtional options really necessary and if so, what exactly would they be and where would they be located?  

  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-28


    What's this INDI record page?

    Either way, as indicated clicking "view details for … parents family" gets you to a view where this can be done.

    The reason I didn't put this in the HELP forum, is because I don't need help as I figured it out.

    This was a suggestion on how to make it easier.

    How about like ? *(from the individual.php page)*


  • Stephen Arnold

    Stephen Arnold - 2009-11-28

    Dear ??

    If you aren't going to identify yourself, you won't get further answers or help from me. Sorry - I like to know who I might be helping.  

    If you aren't familiar with the terminology, again - that's not our fault. 

    the INDI record page is, of course, the Individual.php page. the Individual Indentification Number is usually referred to as INDI ID for the IXXXXX number and the page where you go for an Individual - their INDI page.  

    It doesn't appear you figured it out, as you made a statement here that was not factual.  The best way to add a new parent to an individual and thus create a family record (FXXXX) if from the INDIVIDUAL.PHP page and click the CLOSE RELATIVES tab. If a parental family record has not yet been created for an individual, you won't find any link "View Details for….parents family" as no family record exists and it must be created first.  As we sadi, You do this via the individual's page, using the close relatives tab, or the Quick Update edit function in the Options for Individuals sub menu.  

    In the scenario you presented, where your wife had already created a family record that included her father, adding her mother could be achieved by using any of the three methods we outlined. It certainly is not necessary to navigate to the family with parents (parental family record) page as it can be easily done (as well as adding her siblings), from the INDI record page (individual.php) and the Close Relatives tab.


  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-28

    You're not going to help me because you don't know my name? I have clearly stated before, and I will do it again.


    I've done what I needed to do.


    OK? Is that clear now?

    Do you need my driver license for me to give more suggestions?

    While this software provides a lot of power, and it's clearly the best free software out there to handle gedcoms and web based history, it is extremely clunky and difficult to use.

    but fuck it, you're clearly not interested in feedback.

  • Graham Shepherd

    Graham Shepherd - 2009-11-28

    The first thing you learn about PGV is that there is a Big Kid who is in charge of this sand pit and if you want to play you have to kiss his arse first.  Like most bullies he's got a side kick. You're lucky so far, you've just had sand rubbed in your eyes. Many people have had their heads kicked in for offering even the most modest suggestions.
    It is a pity for PGV because it has a lot of potential and some very good people involved in it. However as long as they continue to be closed to objective input and discussion the potential won't be realised.
    To the PGV community: escort okbigkid off the premises and keep him off.
    To eydaimon: Try They listen to feedback and the software is fast overtaking this.

  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-29

    graham: well, I wrote a gedcom parser yesterday. Added tests today and such. I'm considering just writing my own software.

  • Laie Techie

    Laie Techie - 2009-11-29

    Everyone take a chill pill.

    Stephen pointed out that what  eydaimon wants (be able to add parents and / or siblings from the the individual screens) is already built in. Stephen is not a sandlot bully trying to knock everyone around.

  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-29

    laie:   that's fine.  I still stand by my comment that the interface could be easier.

    Stephen, your comment with CLOSE RELATIVES was a good tip, so thank you.

    I still don't know what's up with asking people to identify themselves.

  • Graham Shepherd

    Graham Shepherd - 2009-11-30

    I am glad that someone has stuck up for Stephen, but I am not going to chill just yet. What about sticking up for the scores of people over the last few years whose intelligent contributions have been repudiated with scorn? Is it surprising that they don't come back? PGV is a good product with good potential. I want to stay with it myself. But it needs a healthier environment for people to make their contributions particularly with regard to usability and strategic direction. Stephen, with respect, should find something more useful to do with his head than butting people with it.

  • Wes Groleau

    Wes Groleau - 2009-11-30

    Well, Graham, Stephen may occasionally be a little blunt, but the only attitude problem I see in this thread is yours.

  • Mitar Miric

    Mitar Miric - 2009-11-30

    It's extremely rude of you to attack Stephen for all his great help to numerous users of this great script and community around it.

  • eydaimon

    eydaimon - 2009-11-30

    Hey guys, that's enough. All I was saying is that it wasn't easy to find the information. OK?

    Take it anyway you like, but enough with the bashing.  While I personally found Stephen could have been less rude, I also think he is doing his best to be helpful. Just look at the amount of effort and time he put into his reply.  That's all appreciated even though my response may not have sounded that way.

    And in graham's defense, since I felt snarled at by Stephens response, his weird, once again, request for identification;  his comments was not without merit.

    Everyone here has made one mistake or another, if not now some other time in their life. Let's leave it at that and move on now.


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