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[phpesp-dev] Themes & Templates

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Hello All,
  Now that Kon has graciously created three new templates
for phpESP, the time has come to think about making phpESP
themeable. Everyone using web stuff seems to want Themes
now. I feel stability and features are more important than
Themes, but I think phpESP is at a point where it is
logical to consider themeability.

  First let me summarize the results of the GUI survey[1].
The majority (60%) was for the third design (the one that
sort of looks like a TV). I prefer that design as well. I
think that this should become the default Theme. A few
people suggested that the greens be replaced with blues in
this theme. I am sure that would be a trivial task, and of
course we can use them both as Themes.

[1] http://phpesp.sf.net/demo/survey.php?name=design&results=1

  Now, having said that -- we need to discuss
implementation. I personally have not written, nor even
read, any PHP code that supports themes. I believe that it
is in our best interest to use some existing template/theme
framework for PHP rather than writing one. Kon suggested
FastTemplate[2], and after a quick search with Google, I
found Smarty Template Engine[3].

[2] http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml
[3] http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Smarty/

  I have not looked at the licenses on these packages, but
they must be compatible with the BSD license to be used
with phpESP. I think that with Smarty we can use Smarty for
development, and not distribute any Smarty code (since it
generates PHP code). I think that this is the best option,
especially because of its speed. I am open to suggestions
though, since I have not used templates/themes in PHP
before.

Please comment if you have any opinion or experience on the
subject.

-James

Re: [phpesp-dev] Themes & Templates

[Sean M A. <sea...@gr...>]

I like this idea, I'm not sure about the tools to use.  I have worked
with phpNuke on a portal site for a program we do with kids here, and
it's themeable, but doesn't use either of those tool to my knowledge.  I
think the idea of themes is excellent for the purposes of why I signed
onto this project (reasons which I have been unable to work on as yet). 
I was hoping to help with getting phpESP to comply to the Section 508
Accessibility guidelines (Mostly so blind people can use webpage readers
to listen to web pages) so that we here at NASA could use it.  Making
phpESP themeable would allow me to create themes that are S.508
compliant instead of mucking with the whole application.

On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 10:22, James E. Flemer wrote:
> Hello All,
>   Now that Kon has graciously created three new templates
> for phpESP, the time has come to think about making phpESP
> themeable. Everyone using web stuff seems to want Themes
> now. I feel stability and features are more important than
> Themes, but I think phpESP is at a point where it is
> logical to consider themeability.
> 
>   First let me summarize the results of the GUI survey[1].
> The majority (60%) was for the third design (the one that
> sort of looks like a TV). I prefer that design as well. I
> think that this should become the default Theme. A few
> people suggested that the greens be replaced with blues in
> this theme. I am sure that would be a trivial task, and of
> course we can use them both as Themes.
> 
> [1] http://phpesp.sf.net/demo/survey.php?name=design&results=1
> 
>   Now, having said that -- we need to discuss
> implementation. I personally have not written, nor even
> read, any PHP code that supports themes. I believe that it
> is in our best interest to use some existing template/theme
> framework for PHP rather than writing one. Kon suggested
> FastTemplate[2], and after a quick search with Google, I
> found Smarty Template Engine[3].
> 
> [2] http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml
> [3] http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Smarty/
> 
>   I have not looked at the licenses on these packages, but
> they must be compatible with the BSD license to be used
> with phpESP. I think that with Smarty we can use Smarty for
> development, and not distribute any Smarty code (since it
> generates PHP code). I think that this is the best option,
> especially because of its speed. I am open to suggestions
> though, since I have not used templates/themes in PHP
> before.
> 
> Please comment if you have any opinion or experience on the
> subject.
> 
> -James
> 
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Re: [phpesp-dev] Themes & Templates

[Matthew G. <gr...@mu...>]

Are we talking about themeing phpESP or surveys?

Well I for one am against expending much energy themeing phpESP
itself.  One easy to use, well design interface is all that is needs.
However, time should be invested in allowing Surveys themselves to be "themed"


On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 10:22:53AM -0400, James E. Flemer wrote:
> Hello All,
>   Now that Kon has graciously created three new templates
> for phpESP, the time has come to think about making phpESP
> themeable. Everyone using web stuff seems to want Themes
> now. I feel stability and features are more important than
> Themes, but I think phpESP is at a point where it is
> logical to consider themeability.
> 
>   First let me summarize the results of the GUI survey[1].
> The majority (60%) was for the third design (the one that
> sort of looks like a TV). I prefer that design as well. I
> think that this should become the default Theme. A few
> people suggested that the greens be replaced with blues in
> this theme. I am sure that would be a trivial task, and of
> course we can use them both as Themes.
> 
> [1] http://phpesp.sf.net/demo/survey.php?name=design&results=1
> 
>   Now, having said that -- we need to discuss
> implementation. I personally have not written, nor even
> read, any PHP code that supports themes. I believe that it
> is in our best interest to use some existing template/theme
> framework for PHP rather than writing one. Kon suggested
> FastTemplate[2], and after a quick search with Google, I
> found Smarty Template Engine[3].
> 
> [2] http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml
> [3] http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Smarty/
> 
>   I have not looked at the licenses on these packages, but
> they must be compatible with the BSD license to be used
> with phpESP. I think that with Smarty we can use Smarty for
> development, and not distribute any Smarty code (since it
> generates PHP code). I think that this is the best option,
> especially because of its speed. I am open to suggestions
> though, since I have not used templates/themes in PHP
> before.
> 
> Please comment if you have any opinion or experience on the
> subject.
> 
> -James
> 
> 
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Re: [phpesp-dev] Themes & Templates

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Matthew Gregg wrote:

> Are we talking about themeing phpESP or surveys?
>
> Well I for one am against expending much energy
> themeing phpESP itself.  One easy to use, well design
> interface is all that is needs. However, time should be
> invested in allowing Surveys themselves to be "themed"

Weee! Has anyone looked closely at the phpESP.sql file when
importing it? There is a VARCHAR(64) field called "theme"
in the "survey" table. :-)

I've been thinking that eventually this was going to come
up (I think it already has, but I've been lazy). Now that
we have the "auto-template" for surveys, themeable surveys
is even more of an issue. Before it was expected that the
page in which the survey was embedded would be responsible
for changing the look of the survey (via css and placement
of the PHP tag). Now, though, it would be really nice if
the surveys were themable too. The first step for themable
surveys is making the output of survey render XHTML
compliant and give the tags attributes to allow CSS hooks.

Before we start all this I am going to kick out a final
release of the 1.x line, and branch for 2.x line.

-James

Re: [phpesp-dev] Themes & Templates

[Kon A. <ang...@ip...>]

Speaking from a design point of view I get a lot of requests from companies 
to integrate third party software so that it fits in with their corporate 
look and feel. I have yet to come across anyone who has asked for themes as 
such. I would like to see the third design implemented as the default theme 
with the ability to easily alter the color scheme, font size etc....
I would rather devote most of my time in creating themes/styles for the 
actual surveys.

As for my suggestion for the use of fastTemplate, all that is required is the 
inclusion of a single class file into the includes dir as indicated in your 
php.ini file. The variant that I've used from time to time is called 
class.rfastTemplate and from memory, does not have any licence attached to it.


Kon


On Sat, 4 May 2002 00:48, Matthew Gregg wrote:
> Are we talking about themeing phpESP or surveys?
>
> Well I for one am against expending much energy themeing phpESP
> itself.  One easy to use, well design interface is all that is needs.
> However, time should be invested in allowing Surveys themselves to be
> "themed"
>
> On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 10:22:53AM -0400, James E. Flemer wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >   Now that Kon has graciously created three new templates
> > for phpESP, the time has come to think about making phpESP
> > themeable. Everyone using web stuff seems to want Themes
> > now. I feel stability and features are more important than
> > Themes, but I think phpESP is at a point where it is
> > logical to consider themeability.
> >
> >   First let me summarize the results of the GUI survey[1].
> > The majority (60%) was for the third design (the one that
> > sort of looks like a TV). I prefer that design as well. I
> > think that this should become the default Theme. A few
> > people suggested that the greens be replaced with blues in
> > this theme. I am sure that would be a trivial task, and of
> > course we can use them both as Themes.
> >
> > [1] http://phpesp.sf.net/demo/survey.php?name=design&results=1
> >
> >   Now, having said that -- we need to discuss
> > implementation. I personally have not written, nor even
> > read, any PHP code that supports themes. I believe that it
> > is in our best interest to use some existing template/theme
> > framework for PHP rather than writing one. Kon suggested
> > FastTemplate[2], and after a quick search with Google, I
> > found Smarty Template Engine[3].
> >
> > [2] http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml
> > [3] http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Smarty/
> >
> >   I have not looked at the licenses on these packages, but
> > they must be compatible with the BSD license to be used
> > with phpESP. I think that with Smarty we can use Smarty for
> > development, and not distribute any Smarty code (since it
> > generates PHP code). I think that this is the best option,
> > especially because of its speed. I am open to suggestions
> > though, since I have not used templates/themes in PHP
> > before.
> >
> > Please comment if you have any opinion or experience on the
> > subject.
> >
> > -James
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> >
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> > supply the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us:
> > ban...@so... _______________________________________________
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