Re: [phpesp-dev] updated version

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Never used either, both look reasonable.  The documentation for  
symfony seems to be more robust, but symfony also seems to be a more  
elaborate construct. Symfony is based upon propel, which I've never  
particularly cottoned, while CakePHP is based upon PDO, which I like.

I think Horde would work too -- it has all the foundation classes  
afforded by the others, and you don't need to actually run the  
application inside of a Horde install.  Though a Horde-based  
application running outside of a Horde install definitely has more  
mass than it needs.  But, I know numerous universities use Horde for  
email, etc, and getting hooked in with them might be an attractive  
addition to the phpESP community.

On the subject of attraction, one particularly attractive aspect of  
phpESP is its performance.  For my business cases, performance is a  
top concern: 10,000+ simultaneous requests are reasonable and should  
be actionable without the need for a leviathan box (eg 8-way processor  
and 32 GB of RAM).  IMO, whatever framework is chosen should not  
sacrifice performance.

To that point, I'm perfectly happy (and accustomed) to use:
* PEAR classes
* Smarty
* PHPUnit2
* phing

While not a "unified framework," these components provide all the  
functionality and flexibility needed, without shoehorning us into a  
framework's view of the world.

I'd say we should document the requirements then compare various  
frameworks and make a buy/build decision based on that analysis.

Of course, it all starts with requirements.... now where is that wiki. :)

bishop

Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:

> I don't think Hord is the kind of framework I was thinking of.
> In PHP land, CakePHP and Symfony are probably the top contenders.
>
> On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 11:51 -0400, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> Yes, Horde (www.horde.org) comes to mind (except the unit test
>> part...).  They already have a "Polls" application (scry), so Horde
>> might not be a good framework to use.  Did you have any particular
>> frameworks in mind?
>
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