Re: [phpesp-dev] updated version

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Yes, Horde (www.horde.org) comes to mind (except the unit test  
part...).  They already have a "Polls" application (scry), so Horde  
might not be a good framework to use.  Did you have any particular  
frameworks in mind?

bishop

Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:

> Most frameworks provide some sort of:
> Database abstraction
> Data validation
> UI abstraction(proper templating, etc..)
> Authentication(or at least support the idea of a single entry point)
> Unit Tests
>
> On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 11:01 -0400, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
>>
>> > Joel may be correct with projects the size of mozilla, but I'm not so
>> > sure with something as small as ESP.  Especially since I would hope a
>> > great deal of what is currently custom in the code-base would be
>> > provided out of the box in most modern frameworks.
>>
>> To an outsider (me), phpESP looks pretty big, though that is probably
>> a mirage: I have had no problem digging into it, nor have I
>> encountered any feelings of "how deep does this rabbit hole go?"  I
>> also don't know how many people/organizations use phpESP, so I'm not
>> sure what kind of upgrade resistance the community would offer.
>>
>> When you say "framework," what do you mean?  When I hear "a great deal
>> of what is currently custom ... would be provided .. in [a] modern
>> framework", that makes me think that phpESP wouldn't add much value
>> over the framework.
>>
>>
>> > As for as a space for collaboration.  I can enable the wiki on the
>> > Sourceforge site or drop an instance of Trac on our hosting service.
>> >
>> > IRC is available here: irc://irc.freenode.net/phpesp/
>> > Or if you would rather have a Jabber/XMPP conference room I can have
>> > that available in a few seconds.
>>
>> I would think we'd want a wiki (or static repository of some kind), to
>> keep the documentation around for a longer period than afforded by
>> communication groups.
>>
>> bishop
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 19:38 -0400, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> >> While I agree the code is horrendous in many places, I caution against
>> >> a wholesale rewrite, for the reasons Joel gives here:
>> >> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
>> >>
>> >> But, if that is the tack taken for v3, we should define the
>> >> requirements, write the functional specification, identify re-use and
>> >> re-factor candidates, decide on the platform tools, draw the road map,
>> >> and declare milestones.  In other words, do it right and try not to
>> >> make the same mistakes.
>> >>
>> >> On that note, is there a wiki or some other collaboration space where
>> >> this information (requirements, specifications, etc) can be maintained?
>> >>
>> >> bishop
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:21:28 -0400
>> >> > Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So many things need to be redone in the current code base:
>> >> >> * Permission system
>> >> >> * User management
>> >> >> * The admin UI <-biggie
>> >> >> * Survey results export
>> >> >> * Survey question storage export/interchange
>> >> >> * etc...
>> >> >> and it's already in a pretty ugly state, that I have had "flip the
>> >> >> switch and start over" in my head for a long time.  I have worked
>> >> >> privately on a few proof of concepts for this, but never pushed to
>> >> >> have something usable.  Current code could be put into maintenance
>> >> >> mode and new dev only on this "branch".
>> >> >
>> >> > well, I agree here: the current code is ugly and I sometimes thought
>> >> > about beginning from scratch again also. So I'm in favour of starting
>> >> > over also.
>> >> >
>> >> > Franky
>> >> >
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