Re: [phpesp-dev] updated version

[Matthew G. <mat...@gm...>]

Most frameworks provide some sort of:
Database abstraction
Data validation
UI abstraction(proper templating, etc..)
Authentication(or at least support the idea of a single entry point)
Unit Tests

On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 11:01 -0400, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
> 
> > Joel may be correct with projects the size of mozilla, but I'm not so
> > sure with something as small as ESP.  Especially since I would hope a
> > great deal of what is currently custom in the code-base would be
> > provided out of the box in most modern frameworks.
> 
> To an outsider (me), phpESP looks pretty big, though that is probably  
> a mirage: I have had no problem digging into it, nor have I  
> encountered any feelings of "how deep does this rabbit hole go?"  I  
> also don't know how many people/organizations use phpESP, so I'm not  
> sure what kind of upgrade resistance the community would offer.
> 
> When you say "framework," what do you mean?  When I hear "a great deal  
> of what is currently custom ... would be provided .. in [a] modern  
> framework", that makes me think that phpESP wouldn't add much value  
> over the framework.
> 
> 
> > As for as a space for collaboration.  I can enable the wiki on the
> > Sourceforge site or drop an instance of Trac on our hosting service.
> >
> > IRC is available here: irc://irc.freenode.net/phpesp/
> > Or if you would rather have a Jabber/XMPP conference room I can have
> > that available in a few seconds.
> 
> I would think we'd want a wiki (or static repository of some kind), to  
> keep the documentation around for a longer period than afforded by  
> communication groups.
> 
> bishop
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 19:38 -0400, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> >> While I agree the code is horrendous in many places, I caution against
> >> a wholesale rewrite, for the reasons Joel gives here:
> >> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
> >>
> >> But, if that is the tack taken for v3, we should define the
> >> requirements, write the functional specification, identify re-use and
> >> re-factor candidates, decide on the platform tools, draw the road map,
> >> and declare milestones.  In other words, do it right and try not to
> >> make the same mistakes.
> >>
> >> On that note, is there a wiki or some other collaboration space where
> >> this information (requirements, specifications, etc) can be maintained?
> >>
> >> bishop
> >>
> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:21:28 -0400
> >> > Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So many things need to be redone in the current code base:
> >> >> * Permission system
> >> >> * User management
> >> >> * The admin UI <-biggie
> >> >> * Survey results export
> >> >> * Survey question storage export/interchange
> >> >> * etc...
> >> >> and it's already in a pretty ugly state, that I have had "flip the
> >> >> switch and start over" in my head for a long time.  I have worked
> >> >> privately on a few proof of concepts for this, but never pushed to
> >> >> have something usable.  Current code could be put into maintenance
> >> >> mode and new dev only on this "branch".
> >> >
> >> > well, I agree here: the current code is ugly and I sometimes thought
> >> > about beginning from scratch again also. So I'm in favour of starting
> >> > over also.
> >> >
> >> > Franky
> >> >
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