Thread: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows
Brought to you by:
achimgrolms
From: <sam...@ba...> - 2012-11-29 17:51:46
|
Hi, Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows credentials cache transparently? We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want to - (store and) send the password - run kinit interactively. The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the purpose. I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... Please advise. Thanks, Sam _______________________________________________ This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent from other members of the Barclays Group. _______________________________________________ |
From: <sam...@ba...> - 2012-11-29 20:23:04
|
Hi Achim, Thanks for the quick response. Does this mean that it's not possible via GSSAPI & KfW? Yes, please forward the patches, I will give them a try. Direct integration with SSPI would be wonderful! Thanks, Sam -----Original Message----- From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM To: per...@li...; Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows Hi Sam, As far as I know it is possible. I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, you can give it a try on your own. Sorry. Best Regards, Achim On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > credentials cache transparently? > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server > (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want > to > > - (store and) send the password > > - run kinit interactively. > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > purpose. > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > Please advise. > > Thanks, > Sam _______________________________________________ This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent from other members of the Barclays Group. _______________________________________________ |
From: Achim G. <ac...@gr...> - 2012-11-29 20:38:07
|
Hi Sam, As far as I know it is possible. I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, you can give it a try on your own. Sorry. Best Regards, Achim On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > credentials cache transparently? > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server > (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want > to > > - (store and) send the password > > - run kinit interactively. > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > purpose. > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > Please advise. > > Thanks, > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient > of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please > delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received > it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to > buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment > products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of > any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at > the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with > Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment > banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a > company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office > at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent > from other members of the Barclays Group. > > _______________________________________________ |
From: <sam...@ba...> - 2012-12-04 08:39:17
|
Hi, Do I understand correctly that GSSAPI with MIT Kerberos can only work after some initial run of kinit involving entering the password? (This time I mean the question for both Windows and Unix.) If so, how is this usually architectured? When is kinit executed? At system startup? At user logon? With each process? Thanks, Sam -----Original Message----- From: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:23 PM To: 'ac...@gr...'; per...@li... Subject: RE: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows Hi Achim, Thanks for the quick response. Does this mean that it's not possible via GSSAPI & KfW? Yes, please forward the patches, I will give them a try. Direct integration with SSPI would be wonderful! Thanks, Sam -----Original Message----- From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM To: per...@li...; Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows Hi Sam, As far as I know it is possible. I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, you can give it a try on your own. Sorry. Best Regards, Achim On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > credentials cache transparently? > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server > (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want > to > > - (store and) send the password > > - run kinit interactively. > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > purpose. > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > Please advise. > > Thanks, > Sam _______________________________________________ This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent from other members of the Barclays Group. _______________________________________________ |
From: Achim G. <ac...@gr...> - 2012-12-04 12:56:55
|
Hi Sam, kinit is run only once, at user-logon-time to get the "Ticket Granting Ticket" (TGT). This TGT is used to get the "Service Tickets" for eccessing the services (for example ldap, cifs, pop3 etc.) in other Words: "Getting the TGT" is a step that takes place on both systems at logon-time: a) Windows-SSPI: When User logins into his machine by Domain-Account (use kerbtray.exe to make the tickets visible) b) MIT/Heimdal: when running kinit. There is a special case of b) when Kerberos is used to login into the machine, for example by pam-krb5. In this case the TGT can be pulled by the login-procedure with no need to run kinit. Another special case is when accessing a remote-machine with TGT-forwarding: In that case a TGT is transported to the remote-machine with no need to run kinit again on the remote machine. I am pretty unsure if MIT/Heimdal can make direct use of the SSPI-TGTs or wrap the SSPI calls into a GSSAPI-Interface, I am unfamilar with the current development-tree. Best Regards, Achim On Tuesday 04 December 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Hi, > > Do I understand correctly that GSSAPI with MIT Kerberos can only work after > some initial run of kinit involving entering the password? (This time I > mean the question for both Windows and Unix.) If so, how is this usually > architectured? When is kinit executed? At system startup? At user logon? > With each process? > > Thanks, > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:23 PM > To: 'ac...@gr...'; per...@li... > Subject: RE: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > Hi Achim, > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Does this mean that it's not possible via GSSAPI & KfW? > > Yes, please forward the patches, I will give them a try. Direct integration > with SSPI would be wonderful! > > Thanks, > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM > To: per...@li...; Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > Hi Sam, > > As far as I know it is possible. > I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make > direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. > > Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, > you can give it a try on your own. > > Sorry. > > Best Regards, > Achim > > On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > > credentials cache transparently? > > > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server > > (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want > > to > > > > - (store and) send the password > > > > - run kinit interactively. > > > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > > purpose. > > > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > > > Please advise. > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient > of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please > delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received > it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to > buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment > products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of > any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at > the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with > Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment > banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a > company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office > at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent > from other members of the Barclays Group. > > _______________________________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve > your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover > what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > _______________________________________________ > Perlgssapi-users mailing list > Per...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perlgssapi-users |
From: <sam...@ba...> - 2012-12-04 13:09:34
|
Thanks again, Achim. If a password needs to be entered interactively at log-on, how can GSSAPI be used on servers? We run our applications either as services, or via scheduled tasks (Windows)/cron (Linux), under a non-interactive system account. There is no interaction either at start-up or at logon. Thanks, Sam -----Original Message----- From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:57 PM To: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) Cc: per...@li... Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows Hi Sam, kinit is run only once, at user-logon-time to get the "Ticket Granting Ticket" (TGT). This TGT is used to get the "Service Tickets" for eccessing the services (for example ldap, cifs, pop3 etc.) in other Words: "Getting the TGT" is a step that takes place on both systems at logon-time: a) Windows-SSPI: When User logins into his machine by Domain-Account (use kerbtray.exe to make the tickets visible) b) MIT/Heimdal: when running kinit. There is a special case of b) when Kerberos is used to login into the machine, for example by pam-krb5. In this case the TGT can be pulled by the login-procedure with no need to run kinit. Another special case is when accessing a remote-machine with TGT-forwarding: In that case a TGT is transported to the remote-machine with no need to run kinit again on the remote machine. I am pretty unsure if MIT/Heimdal can make direct use of the SSPI-TGTs or wrap the SSPI calls into a GSSAPI-Interface, I am unfamilar with the current development-tree. Best Regards, Achim On Tuesday 04 December 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Hi, > > Do I understand correctly that GSSAPI with MIT Kerberos can only work after > some initial run of kinit involving entering the password? (This time I > mean the question for both Windows and Unix.) If so, how is this usually > architectured? When is kinit executed? At system startup? At user logon? > With each process? > > Thanks, > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:23 PM > To: 'ac...@gr...'; per...@li... > Subject: RE: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > Hi Achim, > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Does this mean that it's not possible via GSSAPI & KfW? > > Yes, please forward the patches, I will give them a try. Direct integration > with SSPI would be wonderful! > > Thanks, > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM > To: per...@li...; Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > Hi Sam, > > As far as I know it is possible. > I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make > direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. > > Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, > you can give it a try on your own. > > Sorry. > > Best Regards, > Achim > > On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > > credentials cache transparently? > > > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web server > > (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we don't want > > to > > > > - (store and) send the password > > > > - run kinit interactively. > > > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > > purpose. > > > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > > > Please advise. > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient > of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please > delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received > it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not an offer to > buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment > products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of > any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. Any views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms available at > the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with > Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers premier investment > banking products and services to its clients through Barclays Bank PLC, a > company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office > at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent > from other members of the Barclays Group. > > _______________________________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve > your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover > what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > _______________________________________________ > Perlgssapi-users mailing list > Per...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perlgssapi-users |
From: Achim G. <ac...@gr...> - 2012-12-04 13:25:33
|
Hi Sam, that means there is no interactive user? In that case (for example in cronjob) you run kinit with keytab-option and use the key from keytabfile instead of a password. example: achim@beren [~]$ kinit -k -t /usr/local/apache/conf/http_beren.krb5keytab HTTP/beren.grolmsnet.de to get a TGT for principal 'HTTP/beren.grolmsnet.de'. Best Regards, Achim On Tuesday 04 December 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > Thanks again, Achim. > > If a password needs to be entered interactively at log-on, how can GSSAPI > be used on servers? We run our applications either as services, or via > scheduled tasks (Windows)/cron (Linux), under a non-interactive system > account. There is no interaction either at start-up or at logon. > > Thanks, > Sam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:57 PM > To: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > Cc: per...@li... > Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > Hi Sam, > > kinit is run only once, at user-logon-time to get the "Ticket Granting > Ticket" (TGT). > > This TGT is used to get the "Service Tickets" for eccessing the services > (for example ldap, cifs, pop3 etc.) > > in other Words: "Getting the TGT" is a step that takes place > on both systems at logon-time: > > a) Windows-SSPI: When User logins into his machine by Domain-Account (use > kerbtray.exe to make the tickets visible) > > b) MIT/Heimdal: when running kinit. > > There is a special case of b) when Kerberos is used to login > into the machine, for example by pam-krb5. > In this case the TGT can be pulled by the login-procedure with > no need to run kinit. > > Another special case is when accessing a remote-machine with > TGT-forwarding: In that case a TGT is transported to the remote-machine > with no need to run kinit again on the remote machine. > > I am pretty unsure if MIT/Heimdal can make direct use of the SSPI-TGTs > or wrap the SSPI calls into a GSSAPI-Interface, I am unfamilar with the > current development-tree. > > Best Regards, > Achim > > On Tuesday 04 December 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Do I understand correctly that GSSAPI with MIT Kerberos can only work > > after some initial run of kinit involving entering the password? (This > > time I mean the question for both Windows and Unix.) If so, how is this > > usually architectured? When is kinit executed? At system startup? At user > > logon? With each process? > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ferencik, Samuel: Markets (PRG) > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:23 PM > > To: 'ac...@gr...'; per...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > > > Hi Achim, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > > > Does this mean that it's not possible via GSSAPI & KfW? > > > > Yes, please forward the patches, I will give them a try. Direct > > integration with SSPI would be wonderful! > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Achim Grolms [mailto:ac...@gr...] > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:19 PM > > To: per...@li...; Ferencik, Samuel: Markets > > (PRG) Subject: Re: [Perlgssapi-users] SSO on Windows > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > As far as I know it is possible. > > I've patches in my inbox that modify LWP::Authen::Negotiate to make > > direct use of the SSPI-API, but I still have integrated the patches. > > > > Please let me know If you want me to forward the patches to you, > > you can give it a try on your own. > > > > Sorry. > > > > Best Regards, > > Achim > > > > On Thursday 29 November 2012, sam...@ba... wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is it possible for LWP::Authen::Negotiate / GSSAPI to use the Windows > > > credentials cache transparently? > > > > > > We have a Perl application making HTTP requests to an intranet web > > > server (IIS). We need the app to authenticate with the server, but we > > > don't want to > > > > > > - (store and) send the password > > > > > > - run kinit interactively. > > > > > > The reason is that the application runs non-interactively (as a Windows > > > service), so any need to enter a password even once would defeat the > > > purpose. > > > > > > I've installed MIT KfW, and got the GSSAPI unit tests pass, but I think > > > there's more to it than that (setting up krb5.ini, perhaps running > > > kinit.exe) and I'm not even sure this all will achieve what I need... > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or > > otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient > > of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please > > delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have > > received it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this e-mail is not > > an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, > > investment products or other financial product or service, an official > > confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Barclays. > > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not > > necessarily represent those of Barclays. This e-mail is subject to terms > > available at the following link: www.barclays.com/emaildisclaimer. By > > messaging with Barclays you consent to the foregoing. Barclays offers > > premier investment banking products and services to its clients through > > Barclays Bank PLC, a company registered in England (number 1026167) with > > its registered office at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email > > may relate to or be sent from other members of the Barclays Group. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- --- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support > > Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services > > Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > > _______________________________________________ > > Perlgssapi-users mailing list > > Per...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perlgssapi-users > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve > your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover > what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > _______________________________________________ > Perlgssapi-users mailing list > Per...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/perlgssapi-users |