[Pcgen-trackers] [ pcgen-Bugs-906815 ] [5.6][SRD][RSRD] Lich HD

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Bugs item #906815, was opened at 2004-02-29 08:29
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Category: Race Support
Group: 5.6.0
>Status: Closed
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul W. King (kingpaul)
>Assigned to: Paul W. King (kingpaul)
Summary: [5.6][SRD][RSRD] Lich HD

Initial Comment:
Per this tracker:

[ 906629 ] [5.6][SRD][RSRD] Lich HD
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
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This is a code bug, not a data bug.


Per the SRD and RSRD, taking the Lich template 
increases all prior HD to d12. Taking a Wiz 5 with 11 hp 
in both game modes, then applying the Lich template 
doesn't alter the hp at all.

The average of a d4 is 2.5, d6 3.5, d8 4.5, d10 5.5 and 
d12 6.5. So, in the above example, the Wiz/Lich should 
have gained 4 hp/HD, or 20 hp.

Paul W. King
OGL SB, PL Chimp, Data Tamarin, TM Lemur, BoD 

Date: 2004-02-29 00:35
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NOT a data bug.

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>Comment By: Michael Beaver (michaelbeaver)
Date: 2004-09-09 19:10

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Closed.  HPs are altered for the CON.  HD is changed for all
PAST levels to d12.  No where in either the SRD, RSRD or the
MM does it state to adjust or re-roll hps.  

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Comment By: Frugal (frugal)
Date: 2004-07-28 14:18

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Given that we are trying to close all of the old bugs, can
we please  mark this one as invalid and close it.

If we keep it around for a couple of years until the exact
behaviour is determined it will get forgotten about.

Plus I have a real problem with Priority 7 bugs that we know
we are not going to fix ;O)

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Comment By: Bryan McRoberts (merton_monk)
Date: 2004-04-23 04:15

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A user can re-roll through the HP button if they so desire. 
This isn't critical since behavior is unclear, so I'm lowering the 
priority, unless Wotc dictates that re-rolling HP for increased 
hd-type is standard procedure.

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Comment By: Paul W. King (kingpaul)
Date: 2004-03-01 18:19

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> My math background cringes at referring to 2.5 as the
> average of a d4, but we'll set that aside (it is statistically
> the most likely result for every pair of dice, so one could
> argue that means it's the average, but I feel like splitting
> hairs right now) :)

LOL.

1+2+3+4 = 10
10 / 4 = 2.5
2.5 is average of all possible results. ;P

> Anyway - I'm not sure if it's defined that you simply bump a
> Lich by the increase in avg. hitpoints/die, or if you simply
> force a re-roll of every hitdie (which I think makes more
> sense).  Until this is clearly defined, this issue can't be 
> coded.  I won't have time realisticaly in the near future to 
> work on this, so I'll let someone else grab it.

Alright, you've got me there.  I believe that the increase by 
the averages is the most commonly accepted practice.  I 
have not seen anywhere what the explicit reaction is (re-roll 
or average increase).  However, *something* should happen 
if the die type increases.  Perhaps having an option to do 
both?

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Comment By: Bryan McRoberts (merton_monk)
Date: 2004-03-01 16:02

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My math background cringes at referring to 2.5 as the 
average of a d4, but we'll set that aside (it is statistically the 
most likely result for every pair of dice, so one could argue 
that means it's the average, but I feel like splitting hairs right 
now) :)

Anyway - I'm not sure if it's defined that you simply bump a 
Lich by the increase in avg. hitpoints/die, or if you simply 
force a re-roll of every hitdie (which I think makes more 
sense).  Until this is clearly defined, this issue can't be 
coded.  I won't have time realisticaly in the near future to 
work on this, so I'll let someone else grab it.

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