Re: [Pcbsd-developer] pcbsd 1.1 brings some tough questions

[Kris M. - PC-B. S. <kr...@pc...>]

I think part of the reason you are disappointed is that you 
misunderstand my intent with updates such as 1.1. 1.1 is not meant to be 
an entire "System Transformation", but rather a small update to bring 
the core OS up to FreeBSD 6.1. (And fix the online update manager) 
Things such as redoing the system installer, changing network manager, 
portsnap etc are functionality updates. These are things that should be, 
and will be upgraded at the next major release point of PC-BSD, probably 
2.0. This isn't to say that some things will not be fixed, For example, 
some of the ports will be updated, etc.

The network manager is really just a frontend to "ifconfig", so if you 
run ifconfig, and it doesn't see a device, then the network manager will 
not as well. This needs to be changed, but that is more than just a 
"bugfix", but rather a lot of new functionality needs to be added in, 
such as WIFI support, etc. I have a document here with a huge list of 
the TODO's that need to be done for the next *major* release of PC-BSD, 
and I'll be fixing it up over the next week and posting it online for 
comments and feedback here shortly.

I would just ask that folks be patient. Windows XP and Mac OS X weren't 
built overnight, but rather are the results of years of full-time 
dedicated teams of developers to make them as powerful as they are. (You 
could throw RedHat & SuSE in there as well) As of now, PC-BSD has 
primarily two C++ developers, Tim and I. With neither of us employed 
full-time by PC-BSD, it takes time to get these things done. But when 
you consider where we are now, from only 1 year ago, when Charles saw my 
pitiful website and stepped in, it's a huge leap :) I look forward to 
seeing how PC-BSD has matured a year from now as well!

If anybody reading this has some skill with C++ / QT or any other 
developer ability, I welcome them to volunteer! With the new subversion 
server setup, we can get developers added quickly and get them rolling 
on these nice updates.

- Kris Moore

Andrei Kolu wrote:
> Hello guys!
> 
> I am installed pcbsd 1.1 onto my laptop now and I would say I am dissapointed, 
> where is updates?:
> 
> 1. long list of old packages, major ones like dejavu fonts, lots of 
> improvements in fonts readability is missed now.. kde packages not updated, 
> 
> dejavu-2.4.1                        <   needs updating (port has 2.6)
> gstreamer-0.8.11_2                  <   needs updating (port has 0.10.6)
> gstreamer-plugins-0.8.11_2          <   needs updating (port has 0.10.7)
> kaffeine-0.8                        <   needs updating (port has 0.8.1)
> kdemultimedia-3.5.2                 <   needs updating (port has 3.5.2_1)
> kdepim-3.5.2                        <   needs updating (port has 3.5.2_1)
> kdeutils-3.5.2                      <   needs updating (port has 3.5.2_1)
> xorg-server-6.9.0_1                 <   needs updating (port has 6.9.0_3)
> 
> 2. some 3D card support is not included in kernel
> 3. network manager is a joke- it can't show even nics from rc.conf
> 4. portsnap in system manager still can't show proper download status.
> 5. Installer still won't let you customize installation partitions.
> 6. no timezone selector within installer
> 7. bugzilla shows no progress in squizing bugs
> 8. still no plans for the future, timeline, goals
> 9. not enough information for community- what's going on- I see only surprise 
> releases coming along...oops... test, test and test again...
> 
> This is not the way of doing business, gentlemens. To me it seems 
> unprofessional here. If these areas shows no improvement in recent future 
> then I start my own fork of BSD desktop. I see all pcbsd developers busy 
> making money out of community efforts and even selling forums like support 
> for customers. Nobody want's half assed product IMHO.
> 
> Andrei
> 
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