Thread: RE: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded?
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From: Erkens, C. (LIB) <ce...@om...> - 2004-04-01 14:58:17
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Am I missing something here? The school is migrating to open source (Linux) this fall (good thing in my opinion). There IS a learning curve because a person needs to be a bit more careful in setting things up. If the environment is already set up, then a bit of training in file management isn't out of line. If there was Windows User training, it would probably cost money as well. But it's naive to say all problems with security and viruses/worms/trojans will be over. I laugh at the "dual boot" scenario, though. Because people will (typically) use what's known over what's unknown and thus will use Windows (unless they're adventurous and want to learn something new.) I even used to use my Windows partition over my Linux one because it was "easier". Now I have 2 separate machines and use them both. Of course, I've graduated from Linux to FreeBSD ;-) Carol Erkens, Webmaster Omaha Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Renae Satterley [mailto:rsa...@ya...] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:36 AM > To: oss...@li... > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > A while back I posted my dismay to the list regarding > the lack of open-mindedness towards open-source in > library school. Well, I've had my worse suspicions > confirmed this morning: > http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/itlab/ I normally have a good sense of humour, but really... - Renae Satterley ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ |
From: Timothy M. <tim...@nc...> - 2004-04-01 15:13:33
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Unless it's an April Fool's joke. Seems unlikely, but I don't know what the atmosphere there is like. Tim -----Original Message----- From: oss...@li... [mailto:oss4lib-discuss-a= dm...@li...] On Behalf Of Erkens, Carol (LIB) Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:02 AM To: 'Renae Satterley'; oss...@li... Subject: RE: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? Am I missing something here? The school is migrating to open source (Linux)= this fall (good thing in my opinion). There IS a learning curve because a person needs to be a bit more careful in setting things up. If the environment is already set up, then a bit of training in file management isn't out of line. If there was Windows User training, it would probably cost money as well. But it's naive to say all problems with security and viruses/worms/trojans will be over. I laugh at the "dual boot" scenario, though. Because people will (typically= ) use what's known over what's unknown and thus will use Windows (unless they're adventurous and want to learn something new.) I even used to use my= Windows partition over my Linux one because it was "easier". Now I have 2 separate machines and use them both. Of course, I've graduated from Linux t= o FreeBSD ;-) Carol Erkens, Webmaster Omaha Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Renae Satterley [mailto:rsa...@ya...] = > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:36 AM > To: oss...@li... > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > = > = > A while back I posted my dismay to the list regarding > the lack of open-mindedness towards open-source in > library school. Well, I've had my worse suspicions > confirmed this morning: > = http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/itlab/ I normally have a good sense of humour, but really... - Renae Satterley ______________________________________________________________________ = Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenTo= o technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3Dclick= _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3Dclick= _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ |
From: Michael F. <mik...@co...> - 2004-04-01 15:52:29
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Timothy Mori wrote: > Unless it's an April Fool's joke. I think the closing line, '"I have only one other thing to say," comments Mr. Bungay. "Poisson d'avril"' is intended to point in that direction. Just a hunch. Mike |
From: Timothy M. <tim...@nc...> - 2004-04-01 15:15:50
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Ha.. Definitely an April Fool's joke. One quote from there: "Mr. Bungay also indicated that GSLIS will no longer have to worry about mu= ndane things such as Internet and computer security. "Obviously, with Linux= we no longer have to worry about hackers, Internet worms or viruses. Befor= e long we'll forget that they ever existed." Tim -----Original Message----- From: oss...@li... [mailto:oss4lib-discuss-a= dm...@li...] On Behalf Of Erkens, Carol (LIB) Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:02 AM To: Renae Satterley; oss...@li... Subject: RE: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? Am I missing something here? The school is migrating to open source (Linux)= this fall (good thing in my opinion). There IS a learning curve because a person needs to be a bit more careful in setting things up. If the environment is already set up, then a bit of training in file management isn't out of line. If there was Windows User training, it would probably cost money as well. But it's naive to say all problems with security and viruses/worms/trojans will be over. I laugh at the "dual boot" scenario, though. Because people will (typically= ) use what's known over what's unknown and thus will use Windows (unless they're adventurous and want to learn something new.) I even used to use my= Windows partition over my Linux one because it was "easier". Now I have 2 separate machines and use them both. Of course, I've graduated from Linux t= o FreeBSD ;-) Carol Erkens, Webmaster Omaha Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Renae Satterley [mailto:rsa...@ya...] = > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:36 AM > To: oss...@li... > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > = > = > A while back I posted my dismay to the list regarding > the lack of open-mindedness towards open-source in > library school. Well, I've had my worse suspicions > confirmed this morning: > = http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/itlab/ I normally have a good sense of humour, but really... - Renae Satterley ______________________________________________________________________ = Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenTo= o technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3Dclick= _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3Dclick= _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ |
From: Matt P. <Ma...@oh...> - 2004-04-01 15:19:46
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It is an April Fool's joke: "I have only one other thing to say," comments Mr. Bungay. "Poisson d'avril." Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mori [mailto:tim...@nc...] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:13 AM > To: oss...@li... > Subject: RE: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > Unless it's an April Fool's joke. > > Seems unlikely, but I don't know what the atmosphere there is like. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oss...@li... > [mailto:oss...@li...] On > Behalf Of Erkens, Carol (LIB) > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:02 AM > To: 'Renae Satterley'; oss...@li... > Subject: RE: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > Am I missing something here? The school is migrating to open > source (Linux) > this fall (good thing in my opinion). There IS a learning > curve because a > person needs to be a bit more careful in setting things up. If the > environment is already set up, then a bit of training in file > management > isn't out of line. If there was Windows User training, it > would probably > cost money as well. > > But it's naive to say all problems with security and > viruses/worms/trojans > will be over. > > I laugh at the "dual boot" scenario, though. Because people > will (typically) > use what's known over what's unknown and thus will use Windows (unless > they're adventurous and want to learn something new.) I even > used to use my > Windows partition over my Linux one because it was "easier". > Now I have 2 > separate machines and use them both. Of course, I've > graduated from Linux to > FreeBSD ;-) > > Carol Erkens, Webmaster > Omaha Public Library > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Renae Satterley [mailto:rsa...@ya...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:36 AM > > To: oss...@li... > > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > > > > A while back I posted my dismay to the list regarding > > the lack of open-mindedness towards open-source in > > library school. Well, I've had my worse suspicions > > confirmed this morning: > > > http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/itlab/ > > I normally have a good sense of humour, but really... > > - Renae Satterley > > ______________________________________________________________ > ________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President > and CEO of GenToo > technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > > > oss...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id70&alloc_id638&op=click _______________________________________________ oss...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ |
From: Erkens, C. (LIB) <ce...@om...> - 2004-04-02 14:47:53
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Thank you, Joe. I couldn't have said it better myself. My "main" working environment is Unix (Solaris), which the library runs as it's webserver software (and I don't admin the box). I develop on a FreeBSD box (which I do admin) because it was something I could learn fairly easily and it was most like the Solaris machines. (The battle to even be "allowed" to develop a CMS in open-source is another story altogether.) I personally find Free_BSD easier to use as a server. I did try it as a desktop and it did NOT like my laptop at all, so I nixed that idea real quick. I use Win2K at home because I like to play games that are windows-based. When our (home) preferred OS went commercial (SuSE), we investigated the BSD's and discovered ports :-) Never looked back from there. Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Hourcle [mailto:on...@gr...] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:16 AM > To: Raymond Wood > Cc: oss...@li... > Subject: Re: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Raymond Wood wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:01:54AM -0600, Erkens, Carol (LIB) > > imagined: > > > Of course, I've graduated from Linux to FreeBSD ;-) > > > > > > Carol Erkens, Webmaster > > > > You say that as if it is a self-evident truth :-) > > > > You should reconsider supporting GNU and the GPL, rather than > > advocating an OS who's license allowed Micro$oft to take the TCP/IP > > stack for free, once upon a time... =) > > > > Debian GNU/Linux is the best of both worlds IMHO. > > > > <Donning my asbestos suit...> > > There are a number of different licenses out there, and each > one serves a slightly different need. > > The BSD style licensing allows for-profit companies to > develop code, and then release it to the public. It allows > them to use the code for their own profit, and yet still > allow other people to benefit from it. I personally don't > see that as a problem, if the alternative is that they don't > release any code to the public at all. > > > Personally, I use FreeBSD, not because of the license, but > because of its pedigree -- it was not built as a desktop > replacement, but as a server. I don't need, or want a > windowed environment on a box that isn't going to be used as > a desktop, especially if I'm going to maintain it remotely anyway. > > I like that I can choose what options I want when I'm > building new programs, and the ports collection makes it very > easy to find and obtain the programs I might want. I don't > like being at the mercy of someone who built a package, only > to find out that they're expecting gd, when I'm using gd2, or > that they've compiled in a whole bunch of extra features that > I consider to be bloat. > > Yes, I admit, it's annoying when you miss a kernel parameter, > and you have to run another make world, but I prefer that > over the alternative of needing to upgrade my systems on a > more regular basis, for features which I have no intention of using. > > > Every OS out there serves a slightly different niche. It's > ignorant to think that your particular favorite is the best > solution for everyone. It may be great for you, but that > doesn't mean that it's great for anyone else. I'm even > perfectly willing to say that although I use a number of > different OSes, I'm not willing to say that any particular > one is 'best', as I can't say that I've reviewed every last > OS there, and have determined if there is anything out there > that could serve my needs better. And even then, it would > only be a point in time analysis, for a particular set of > needs, and wouldn't be valid even days later, or for any > other person or system. > > Everything in this world has its strengths and weaknesses, > and although you may have made a different choice in your > selection, it doesn't mean that our selection processes was > in anyway flawed, but that we had a different set of inputs > into our decision making process. > > > ...and so, the subject of 'open mindedness' still seems > appropriate to this message. > > ----- > Joe Hourcle > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President > and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from > fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > > > oss...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss see also http://oss4lib.org/ |
From: Dennis M. <al...@ch...> - 2004-04-01 15:17:05
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Three words, folks: "Poisson d'avril." Even as bad as _MY_ French is, I figured this one out. Expect to see more such things today...Happy April Fool's Day! Dennis Moser On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Erkens, Carol (LIB) wrote: > Am I missing something here? The school is migrating to open source (Linux) > this fall (good thing in my opinion). There IS a learning curve because a > person needs to be a bit more careful in setting things up. If the > environment is already set up, then a bit of training in file management > isn't out of line. If there was Windows User training, it would probably > cost money as well. > > But it's naive to say all problems with security and viruses/worms/trojans > will be over. > > I laugh at the "dual boot" scenario, though. Because people will (typically) > use what's known over what's unknown and thus will use Windows (unless > they're adventurous and want to learn something new.) I even used to use my > Windows partition over my Linux one because it was "easier". Now I have 2 > separate machines and use them both. Of course, I've graduated from Linux to > FreeBSD ;-) > > Carol Erkens, Webmaster > Omaha Public Library > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Renae Satterley [mailto:rsa...@ya...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:36 AM > > To: oss...@li... > > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Librarians open-minded? > > > > > > A while back I posted my dismay to the list regarding > > the lack of open-mindedness towards open-source in > > library school. Well, I've had my worse suspicions > > confirmed this morning: > > > http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/itlab/ > > I normally have a good sense of humour, but really... > > - Renae Satterley > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo > technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > > > oss...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > > > oss...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ > > "That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief danger of the time." ~~~ John Stuart Mill |
From: rob c. <ro...@st...> - 2004-04-01 16:28:57
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did anyone else play an april fool's joke today.....? we collected a set of IPs for staff, displayed a targeted library news item mentioning a screenshot of the upcoming library redesign, and pointed them here: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/libinfo/spotlight/prototype.php we're in the process of a website redesign, which is always an interesting time, taking in everyone's concerns, opinions etc ;) it was actually received pretty well....once the joke was revealed...;) extremely OT, rob casson miami university libraries |
From: Raymond W. <ra...@ma...> - 2004-04-02 00:00:58
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:01:54AM -0600, Erkens, Carol (LIB) imagined: > Of course, I've graduated from Linux to FreeBSD ;-) > > Carol Erkens, Webmaster You say that as if it is a self-evident truth :-) You should reconsider supporting GNU and the GPL, rather than advocating an OS who's license allowed Micro$oft to take the TCP/IP stack for free, once upon a time... =) Debian GNU/Linux is the best of both worlds IMHO. <Donning my asbestos suit...> Have Fun with GNU/Linux, Raymond - -- "Don't Panic" - HHGTTG. GPG Fingerprint: 2E4D 8605 DD48 E80F F893 1C02 B65D 86D9 3B3C 0E03 Encrypted E-mail Preferred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbK00tl2G2Ts8DgMRAld4AKC0ut0TMo9nLtOy9BrgTMcODogibQCgyO96 S2fsiKrs9ZD6UJb3HQLt/fk= =R+Ai -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Joe H. <on...@gr...> - 2004-04-02 13:16:24
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Raymond Wood wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:01:54AM -0600, Erkens, Carol (LIB) imagined: > > Of course, I've graduated from Linux to FreeBSD ;-) > > > > Carol Erkens, Webmaster > > You say that as if it is a self-evident truth :-) > > You should reconsider supporting GNU and the GPL, rather than > advocating an OS who's license allowed Micro$oft to take the > TCP/IP stack for free, once upon a time... =) > > Debian GNU/Linux is the best of both worlds IMHO. > > <Donning my asbestos suit...> There are a number of different licenses out there, and each one serves a slightly different need. The BSD style licensing allows for-profit companies to develop code, and then release it to the public. It allows them to use the code for their own profit, and yet still allow other people to benefit from it. I personally don't see that as a problem, if the alternative is that they don't release any code to the public at all. Personally, I use FreeBSD, not because of the license, but because of its pedigree -- it was not built as a desktop replacement, but as a server. I don't need, or want a windowed environment on a box that isn't going to be used as a desktop, especially if I'm going to maintain it remotely anyway. I like that I can choose what options I want when I'm building new programs, and the ports collection makes it very easy to find and obtain the programs I might want. I don't like being at the mercy of someone who built a package, only to find out that they're expecting gd, when I'm using gd2, or that they've compiled in a whole bunch of extra features that I consider to be bloat. Yes, I admit, it's annoying when you miss a kernel parameter, and you have to run another make world, but I prefer that over the alternative of needing to upgrade my systems on a more regular basis, for features which I have no intention of using. Every OS out there serves a slightly different niche. It's ignorant to think that your particular favorite is the best solution for everyone. It may be great for you, but that doesn't mean that it's great for anyone else. I'm even perfectly willing to say that although I use a number of different OSes, I'm not willing to say that any particular one is 'best', as I can't say that I've reviewed every last OS there, and have determined if there is anything out there that could serve my needs better. And even then, it would only be a point in time analysis, for a particular set of needs, and wouldn't be valid even days later, or for any other person or system. Everything in this world has its strengths and weaknesses, and although you may have made a different choice in your selection, it doesn't mean that our selection processes was in anyway flawed, but that we had a different set of inputs into our decision making process. ...and so, the subject of 'open mindedness' still seems appropriate to this message. ----- Joe Hourcle |