RE: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea

[<Peter.Binkley@ua...>]

Some time ago Epixtech announced they were going to release an NCIP toolkit
under an open source license
(http://www.epixtech.com/ls/press/2001/9998.asp). They apparently have
something working (http://www.epixtech.com/ls/press/2002/9920.asp), but I
haven't tried to track down any code release. SIP doesn't seem to be part of
this picture. I agree a SIP toolkit would be useful, at least until NCIP
matures and replaces it.

Peter

Peter Binkley
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-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh@...] 
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 7:52 PM
To: oss4lib-discuss@...
Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea


I probably could have phrased the subject as I need help, which is true, but
anyhow, this is what I'd like to do.

A while ago I asked about the SIP protocol. I found out quite a bit of
information, but never progressed beyond that. The SIP protocol is readily
available -- that is documents specifying the protocol are available. As was
pointed out to me, various library system vendors provide their own client
and servers.

I would like to right a client and server that could accomodate SIP, SIP2,
and NCIP. The last is the newer replacement standard that is currently in
"out to ballot" status and http://www.niso.org. (I've downloaded it but
haven't read it yet.) In theory the client should work with other library
vendors servers, and the server would work with other clients.

For the time being I'm doing most development on an iMac with OSX -- it is
really becoming quite an amazing platform. Though I also have access to
RedHat and Solaris. I suspect a perl client would make the most sense. I've
no idea what would make sense as a server. I dont know who, if anyone, would
have access to machines to test the cross system compatibility.

Part of my motivation for this, is that I could use a small privately
controlled database, for PC user authentication. Another part of my
motivation is that Eric Lease Morgan recently asked who will do the work.
Since I have both an MLS and an Masters in Computer Science, I should be
able to contribute something.

-- 
Josh Kuperman
josh@...


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Re: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea

[Chris Gray <cpgray@li...>]

I had no idea what SIP and NCIP were so I went looking.

SIP is the Standard Interchange Protocol, developed by 3M for
self-checkout systems.

SIP is being used as the basis for NCIP, the NISO Circulation Interchange
Protocol.

There seems to be a good starting point at the XML Cover Pages:
<http://xml.coverpages.org/ncip.html>;

Chris

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:

> 
> On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Josh Kuperman wrote:
> 
> > A while ago I asked about the SIP protocol. I found out quite a bit of
> > information, but never progressed beyond that. The SIP protocol is
> > readily available -- that is documents specifying the protocol are
> > available. As was pointed out to me, various library system vendors
> > provide their own client and servers.
> >
> > I would like to right a client and server that could accomodate SIP,
> > SIP2, and NCIP. The last is the newer replacement standard that is
> > currently in "out to ballot" status and http://www.niso.org. (I've
> > downloaded it but haven't read it yet.) In theory the client should
> > work with other library vendors servers, and the server would work
> > with other clients.
> >
> > For the time being I'm doing most development on an iMac with OSX --
> > it is really becoming quite an amazing platform. Though I also have
> > access to RedHat and Solaris. I suspect a perl client would make the
> > most sense. I've no idea what would make sense as a server. I dont
> > know who, if anyone, would have access to machines to test the cross
> > system compatibility.
> >
> > Part of my motivation for this, is that I could use a small privately
> > controlled database, for PC user authentication. Another part of my
> > motivation is that Eric Lease Morgan recently asked who will do the
> > work. Since I have both an MLS and an Masters in Computer Science, I
> > should be able to contribute something.
> 
> I have not been ignoring this thread, really.
> 
> I'm afraid I'm at a bit of a loss because I do not know what SIP is. Are 
> you talking about telephony?... Oh, SIP is about patron authentication. 
> Interesting. Very interesting.
> 
> Authentication certainly is an issue when it comes to MyLibrary. Right 
> now the system implements a simple username/password mechanism. As I 
> have thought about future developments, I was thinking about LDAP. How 
> would  SIP compare and contrast to the use of LDAP?
> 
> --
> Eric "Just Finished Burning My First Image CD On My 'Ti-Book' Using Mac 
> OS X, Cool" Morgan
> 
> 
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RE: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea

[Matthew Dovey <matthew.dovey@la...>]

Josh,

We've been working on a Java based Self Issue client which uses SIP to =
talk
to the backend server (in this case a Geac system). We've modularised =
this so
that the SIP is implemented in a pluggable Java object which could be
replaced by a NCIP object fairly easily (using Java interfaces etc.) =
However
we've not done anything in the NCIP arena as we don't have an NCIP =
server to
talk to.

Matthew Dovey
R&D Manager
Systems and Electronic Resources
Oxford University Library Services

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:52 AM
> To: oss4lib-discuss@...
> Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea
>=20
> I probably could have phrased the subject as I need help, which is
> true, but anyhow, this is what I'd like to do.
>=20
> A while ago I asked about the SIP protocol. I found out quite a bit of
> information, but never progressed beyond that. The SIP protocol is
> readily available -- that is documents specifying the protocol are
> available. As was pointed out to me, various library system vendors
> provide their own client and servers.
>=20
> I would like to right a client and server that could accomodate SIP,
> SIP2, and NCIP. The last is the newer replacement standard that is
> currently in "out to ballot" status and http://www.niso.org. (I've
> downloaded it but haven't read it yet.) In theory the client should
> work with other library vendors servers, and the server would work
> with other clients.
>=20
> For the time being I'm doing most development on an iMac with OSX --
> it is really becoming quite an amazing platform. Though I also have
> access to RedHat and Solaris. I suspect a perl client would make the
> most sense. I've no idea what would make sense as a server. I dont
> know who, if anyone, would have access to machines to test the cross
> system compatibility.
>=20
> Part of my motivation for this, is that I could use a small privately
> controlled database, for PC user authentication. Another part of my
> motivation is that Eric Lease Morgan recently asked who will do the
> work. Since I have both an MLS and an Masters in Computer Science, I
> should be able to contribute something.
>=20
> --
> Josh Kuperman
> josh@...
>=20
>=20
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>=20
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>=20
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Re: [oss4lib-discuss] A small project idea

[Eric Lease Morgan <emorgan@nd...>]

On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Josh Kuperman wrote:

> A while ago I asked about the SIP protocol. I found out quite a bit of
> information, but never progressed beyond that. The SIP protocol is
> readily available -- that is documents specifying the protocol are
> available. As was pointed out to me, various library system vendors
> provide their own client and servers.
>
> I would like to right a client and server that could accomodate SIP,
> SIP2, and NCIP. The last is the newer replacement standard that is
> currently in "out to ballot" status and http://www.niso.org. (I've
> downloaded it but haven't read it yet.) In theory the client should
> work with other library vendors servers, and the server would work
> with other clients.
>
> For the time being I'm doing most development on an iMac with OSX --
> it is really becoming quite an amazing platform. Though I also have
> access to RedHat and Solaris. I suspect a perl client would make the
> most sense. I've no idea what would make sense as a server. I dont
> know who, if anyone, would have access to machines to test the cross
> system compatibility.
>
> Part of my motivation for this, is that I could use a small privately
> controlled database, for PC user authentication. Another part of my
> motivation is that Eric Lease Morgan recently asked who will do the
> work. Since I have both an MLS and an Masters in Computer Science, I
> should be able to contribute something.

I have not been ignoring this thread, really.

I'm afraid I'm at a bit of a loss because I do not know what SIP is. Are 
you talking about telephony?... Oh, SIP is about patron authentication. 
Interesting. Very interesting.

Authentication certainly is an issue when it comes to MyLibrary. Right 
now the system implements a simple username/password mechanism. As I 
have thought about future developments, I was thinking about LDAP. How 
would  SIP compare and contrast to the use of LDAP?

--
Eric "Just Finished Burning My First Image CD On My 'Ti-Book' Using Mac 
OS X, Cool" Morgan