Re: [WWdevel] Re: CVS alternative

[John J. <jj...@as...>]

Sam Hathaway wrote:

> On Jan 10, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Michael Gage wrote:
>
>>>
>>>  Problems start in the non-tagged side, basically however we find 
>>> them.  Once this thing is initialized, I guess we can start filling 
>>> that up with lots of pg files.  When it gets tagged, then it is 
>>> moved to the tagged-side, which will be organized to mirror the 
>>> heirarchical topic structure of the database.
>>>
>>>  We may not be able to "polish" every problem, but as that is done, 
>>> it simply gives an updated version of the problem on the tagged 
>>> side.  The setup as described above basically gives up on the notion 
>>> of systematically polishing problems.  If we want to keep that 
>>> alive, we should have 3 basic sub-divisions (raw, tagged, and 
>>> tagged-and-polished).  Actually, this 3-part version might be a good 
>>> way to go.
>>>
>> I like the 3 part version.  Possibly even a 4th part for  problems 
>> which can be used as models for future problems (exhibiting best 
>> practices, etc. etc.)  This fourth part could be fairly small 
>> however, and may not need to be a CVS.
>
>
> Can anyone give me more details on how the repository of problem 
> sources and the "database" will interact? Based on what little I know, 
> it seems to me that the problem source should be part of the problem's 
> database record.

In a sense, things are reversed.  The problem files initially contain 
all of the information; the extra information comes in the form of 
special comments in those files.  We then have a script to set up a 
mysql database, and to extract the information from the files and load 
it into the database.

I like this approach since it is easy to reload the database if 
something goes wrong, and we are shipping mainly flat text files (except 
for the images).

> By the way, has anyone thought about how problems will be packaged? 
> Many problems consist of more than one file and it might be worth 
> laying out a packaging format, so that a problem and all of its 
> auxiliary files and metadata can be distributed as a single file.

I hadn't thought of the extra files.  Thus far, the problems were 
basically not packaged in any special way.

The distribution method I had in mind was that webwork would handle it 
behind the scenes.  It would fetch files over http from perl (I think 
the perl module is LWP, or something like that).  The entry point would 
be an extra tab in the admin course (along with add course, ..., and 
then Problem Database).  If you ask it to update your Problem Library 
Database, then it fetches the current list of files/version via http, 
checks it against your current list, and gets whatever is new and 
reloads the database.  My guess is that this is how the perl cpan module 
works, and it is how the xemacs package system works.

Since knowing which files need updating keys off of version numbers, we 
may have to keep those as part of the files' metadata.  If we use cvs 
for the files, we can just use the cvs revision number.  If we use 
subversion, then there is one number for all files, so every change 
would make it look like all of the files need updating, so that would be 
a case where a problem's version number would have to be kept.

This approach should still be ok with extra associated files.  They are 
listed in the manifest along with the problem files.  So, if you don't 
have one at the time of an update, it will be fetched for you.

John