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Just checking in to see if this group is active. Hoping to get involved in
some open source ux work, having a look around to see where the active
projects are and what they're up to.

Martin

* Dave Greenberg <dgg...@gm...> [30May05 19:47]:
>    Hi Joel -
>    Didn't get an attachment or link to the req's doc - did I miss something??

oops.

http://openwebgui.sourceforge.net/requirements.html

Joel

Here's a draft of the requirements for a generic email blaster.
Please let me know what is in your product but not in the generic
requirements.  This delta could be either:

1) something which is missing from one of the essential requirements.
   eg. something that all email blasters should do.

2) Something non-essential (a bell or whistle)

Joel

Chris Messina:

[1]
> ... I think we should start working on a plan and develop real tasks
  and make this happen all open-sourcey, like sooner than later.

[2]
> What kind of results do we hope to get from this? For my own part,
> developing a unified admin UI is just one component of my goals (I'm
> doing that for Drupal already). I also want to develop a rich and easy
> to follow process for open source usability studies & development ...

My goal, and that of everyone in the OpenACS breakout group that did
initial work on this, is to use this very specific item as the seed
for a reusable process.  All of the documents should come from
templates (or templates should be backed out of the documents), the
processes should be documented, etc.

Putting [1] and [2] together from your email, what we need to do next
for OpenWebGui is to complete the functional specification for our
hypothetical generic email blaster.  We have a draft from
flossusability.org, but it should accomodate the initial participating
projects, OpenACS and CivicSpace.  It should also be in a standard
document format and be derived from a template.  So my question to the
bigger list is, is there any kind of consensus on a standard
functional specification document?  I tend to use MS Word (now
OpenOffice) as the medium; I've found Steve McConnell's work to be the
best starting templates (http://www.construx.com/resources/cka/, but
what used to be a good resource has gotten less and less useful as
stuff is withdrawn and/or locked behind passwords and memberships;
e.g., made _less usable_).

What are other people using?  Which website is the best clearinghouse
for document templates?

Joel

Yeah, I'm down with that. Kieran would be too. And I've got the
support of Dries from the Drupal community as well, so I think we
should start working on a plan and develop real tasks and make this
happen all open-sourcey, like sooner than later.

What kind of results do we hope to get from this? For my own part,
developing a unified admin UI is just one component of my goals (I'm
doing that for Drupal already). I also want to develop a rich and easy
to follow process for open source usability studies & development.
I've got a lot of ideas about this and would like to see how we could
come up with real-world practices that people can use to get usability
into their work *much* sooner.

I would also like to rename heuristic evaluation. The term does
nothing but make usability less accessible. Even though I "get it",
the words always trip me up -- I can't imagine it does much for
marketing our efforts to evangelize usability.

Chris

On 4/21/05, Joel Aufrecht <jo...@au...> wrote:
> * Chris Messina <chr...@gm...> [03May05 21:27]:
> > I'm interested in this -- and intend to work on unifying UI elements
> > like metaphors, etc, between WordPress & Drupal/CivicSpace. I do
> > graphics -- so how can we get this started?
>=20
> We need a usability person - someone who can do:
>=20
> 1) heuristic analysis of our designs (e.g., put her two cents in)
> 2) Perform usability tests, everything from getting testers to
> reporting results
>=20
> We were hoping to get some interest from CHI.  I will put out another
> call to the FLOSS sprint mailing list.
>=20
> Joel
>=20
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 4/19/05, Joel Aufrecht <jo...@au...> wrote:
> > > It's not so much dead as in a larval stage.  We need at least one eac=
h
> > > graphics person (you?) and usability person, including moderate
> > > committments of time, before we can get going.  The management (me)
> > > and OS projects are standing by for this.
> > >
> > > * Floris Lambrechts <flo...@gm...> [02May05 09:02]:
> > > > I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.
> > > >
> > > > However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
> > > > not very much alive.  Is this correct?
> > > >
> > > > I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuf=
f
> > > > before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Floris Lambrechts
> > > >
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* Chris Messina <chr...@gm...> [03May05 21:27]:
> I'm interested in this -- and intend to work on unifying UI elements
> like metaphors, etc, between WordPress & Drupal/CivicSpace. I do
> graphics -- so how can we get this started?

We need a usability person - someone who can do:

1) heuristic analysis of our designs (e.g., put her two cents in)
2) Perform usability tests, everything from getting testers to
reporting results

We were hoping to get some interest from CHI.  I will put out another
call to the FLOSS sprint mailing list.

Joel

> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 4/19/05, Joel Aufrecht <jo...@au...> wrote:
> > It's not so much dead as in a larval stage.  We need at least one each
> > graphics person (you?) and usability person, including moderate
> > committments of time, before we can get going.  The management (me)
> > and OS projects are standing by for this.
> > 
> > * Floris Lambrechts <flo...@gm...> [02May05 09:02]:
> > > I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.
> > >
> > > However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
> > > not very much alive.  Is this correct?
> > >
> > > I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuff
> > > before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > > Floris Lambrechts
> > >
> > >
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I'm interested in this -- and intend to work on unifying UI elements
like metaphors, etc, between WordPress & Drupal/CivicSpace. I do
graphics -- so how can we get this started?

Chris

On 4/19/05, Joel Aufrecht <jo...@au...> wrote:
> It's not so much dead as in a larval stage.  We need at least one each
> graphics person (you?) and usability person, including moderate
> committments of time, before we can get going.  The management (me)
> and OS projects are standing by for this.
>=20
> * Floris Lambrechts <flo...@gm...> [02May05 09:02]:
> > I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.
> >
> > However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
> > not very much alive.  Is this correct?
> >
> > I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuff
> > before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Floris Lambrechts
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI.
> > Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in
> > creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime =
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It's not so much dead as in a larval stage.  We need at least one each
graphics person (you?) and usability person, including moderate
committments of time, before we can get going.  The management (me)
and OS projects are standing by for this.

* Floris Lambrechts <flo...@gm...> [02May05 09:02]:
> I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.
> 
> However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
> not very much alive.  Is this correct?
> 
> I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuff
> before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.
> 
> Sincerely
> Floris Lambrechts
> 
> 
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Floris,
Our open-source project, CiviCRM, is in active development - and we
have volunteered to be one of the 'demonstration' projects for the
openwebgui process. The timetable for our project is such that we will
be actively working on the mass-mailer component starting in May or
June. If the webgui project hasn't gotten off the ground by then, you
may want to explore contributing some of your usability/XHTML/CSS
expertise directly.

You can learn more about our project at:
http://objectledge.org/confluence/display/CRM/CRM+Project+One+Pager

And you can join our mailing list at:
http://lists.objectledge.net/mailman/listinfo/crm-dev

Regards,
Dave Greenberg

On 4/19/05, Floris Lambrechts <flo...@gm...> wrote:
> I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.
>=20
> However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
> not very much alive.  Is this correct?
>=20
> I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuff
> before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.
>=20
> Sincerely
> Floris Lambrechts
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI.
> Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in
> creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime in=
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> new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728
> _______________________________________________
> Openwebgui-general mailing list
> Ope...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openwebgui-general
>

I'm interested in joining the mailing list for this project.

However, by browsing the web pages I get the feeling the project is
not very much alive.  Is this correct?

I'm very interested in usability, I have worked on open source stuff
before and I'm experienced in (X)HTML and CSS.

Sincerely
Floris Lambrechts

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