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[Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?

[Hans B. <han...@gm...>]

Hi,

today I read the article about OpenSync on kde.org (in the Dot) and
Tobias mentioned that he'd like to have a hardware detection
mechanism. It sounded to me as if you wanted to write it yourself.
Please, don't forget that the people of Solid (solid.kde.org) are
doing fantastic work by making a hardware detection library, and that
you maybe could use it instead of writing such code yourself.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Hans Bakker

Re: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?

[Armin B. <arm...@de...>]

Hi Hans,

Hans Bakker wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> today I read the article about OpenSync on kde.org (in the Dot) and
> Tobias mentioned that he'd like to have a hardware detection
> mechanism. It sounded to me as if you wanted to write it yourself.
> Please, don't forget that the people of Solid (solid.kde.org) are
> doing fantastic work by making a hardware detection library, and that
> you maybe could use it instead of writing such code yourself.

I dont know what solid can do exactly. So ill just explain what opensync
would need:

OpenSync would need to monitor a variety of connection types like usb,
bluetooth, serial (if possible), irda and so on. if opensync detects a
device it would try to detect what type of device it sees exactly
(manufacturer, model, version, identifier). based on this information it
would lookup the device in a database to see what options are needed to
make the device work.

Do you know if solid would be capable of helping with this task? Another
issue: OpenSync is independent from desktops and X11. so it cannot use
anything that depends on such things.

Best Regards,
Armin

>=20
> Keep up the good work.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Hans Bakker
>=20
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Re: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?

[Koen K. <ko...@do...>]

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Armin Bauer schreef:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> Hans Bakker wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> today I read the article about OpenSync on kde.org (in the Dot) and
>> Tobias mentioned that he'd like to have a hardware detection
>> mechanism. It sounded to me as if you wanted to write it yourself.
>> Please, don't forget that the people of Solid (solid.kde.org) are
>> doing fantastic work by making a hardware detection library, and that
>> you maybe could use it instead of writing such code yourself.
> 
> I dont know what solid can do exactly. So ill just explain what opensync
> would need:
> 
> OpenSync would need to monitor a variety of connection types like usb,
> bluetooth, serial (if possible), irda and so on. if opensync detects a
> device it would try to detect what type of device it sees exactly
> (manufacturer, model, version, identifier). based on this information it
> would lookup the device in a database to see what options are needed to
> make the device work.
> 
> Do you know if solid would be capable of helping with this task? Another
> issue: OpenSync is independent from desktops and X11. so it cannot use
> anything that depends on such things.

Sounds like you'd want HAL[1] or udev (linux only) integration.

regards,

Koen

[1] http://hal.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal


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[Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?

[Hans B. <han...@gm...>]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hans Bakker <han...@gm...>
Date: 20-mei-2006 18:18
Subject: Fwd: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?
To: ope...@li...


Solid is the hardware detection library that will be used in the
upcoming KDE 4. Solid depends on several backends, so that will make
it not suitable for you. Maybe you could arrange something so that
people can use Solid as a backend for OpenSync when they use KDE 4? It
would make the hardware handling more consistent, I think.

Best regards,

Hans

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Armin Bauer <arm...@de...>
Date: 20-mei-2006 15:55
Subject: Re: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?
To: Hans Bakker <han...@gm...>
Cc: ope...@li...


Hi Hans,

Hans Bakker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> today I read the article about OpenSync on kde.org (in the Dot) and
> Tobias mentioned that he'd like to have a hardware detection
> mechanism. It sounded to me as if you wanted to write it yourself.
> Please, don't forget that the people of Solid (solid.kde.org) are
> doing fantastic work by making a hardware detection library, and that
> you maybe could use it instead of writing such code yourself.

I dont know what solid can do exactly. So ill just explain what opensync
would need:

OpenSync would need to monitor a variety of connection types like usb,
bluetooth, serial (if possible), irda and so on. if opensync detects a
device it would try to detect what type of device it sees exactly
(manufacturer, model, version, identifier). based on this information it
would lookup the device in a database to see what options are needed to
make the device work.

Do you know if solid would be capable of helping with this task? Another
issue: OpenSync is independent from desktops and X11. so it cannot use
anything that depends on such things.

Best Regards,
Armin

>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Bakker
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
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[Opensync-users] Re: Compatibility with Solid?

[Hans B. <han...@gm...>]

One more thing: you can check out Solid on http://solid.kde.org

Hans

2006/5/20, Hans Bakker <han...@gm...>:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Hans Bakker <han...@gm...>
> Date: 20-mei-2006 18:18
> Subject: Fwd: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?
> To: ope...@li...
>
>
> Solid is the hardware detection library that will be used in the
> upcoming KDE 4. Solid depends on several backends, so that will make
> it not suitable for you. Maybe you could arrange something so that
> people can use Solid as a backend for OpenSync when they use KDE 4? It
> would make the hardware handling more consistent, I think.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Hans
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Armin Bauer <arm...@de...>
> Date: 20-mei-2006 15:55
> Subject: Re: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?
> To: Hans Bakker <han...@gm...>
> Cc: ope...@li...
>
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> Hans Bakker wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > today I read the article about OpenSync on kde.org (in the Dot) and
> > Tobias mentioned that he'd like to have a hardware detection
> > mechanism. It sounded to me as if you wanted to write it yourself.
> > Please, don't forget that the people of Solid (solid.kde.org) are
> > doing fantastic work by making a hardware detection library, and that
> > you maybe could use it instead of writing such code yourself.
>
> I dont know what solid can do exactly. So ill just explain what opensync
> would need:
>
> OpenSync would need to monitor a variety of connection types like usb,
> bluetooth, serial (if possible), irda and so on. if opensync detects a
> device it would try to detect what type of device it sees exactly
> (manufacturer, model, version, identifier). based on this information it
> would lookup the device in a database to see what options are needed to
> make the device work.
>
> Do you know if solid would be capable of helping with this task? Another
> issue: OpenSync is independent from desktops and X11. so it cannot use
> anything that depends on such things.
>
> Best Regards,
> Armin
>
> >
> > Keep up the good work.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Hans Bakker
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, securit=
y?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> > easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geron=
imo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642
> > _______________________________________________
> > Opensync-users mailing list
> > Ope...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensync-users
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Opensync-users] Compatibility with Solid?

[Aaron W. <li...@wh...>]

Hi all,

Hans Bakker wrote:
> Maybe you could arrange something so that
> people can use Solid as a backend for OpenSync when they use KDE 4? It
> would make the hardware handling more consistent, I think.

If Solid can't be used because of dependency on other components, then
something else will need to be used. If that is the case, I would have
thought it would be better to use the same thing for everyone than have
a KDE backend, a Gnome backend etc.

http://dot.kde.org/1148063569/
"OpenSync is also independent of the desktop platform. It will be the
common syncing backend for at least KDE and GNOME and other projects are
likely to join. That means that the free desktop will have one common
syncing solution. This is something really new."

To return to separate backends for Gnome and KDE would completely
undermine the progress in this area.

I incline to Koen's opinion; HAL or udev would seem a better option as
they are installed on most Linux systems and appear to be where new
development belongs. The general Linux philosophy of pushing things
upstream suggests to me that these are the places for correct device
identification (manufacturer, identifying things have been plugged in,
sending DBus events etc.); if we need a device database for the
capabilities etc. of these devices then we should all be working on the
same list, regardless of whether we use Gnome, KDE or something else.

That said, I think that I miss the point of Solid; from the
documentation I just read, it sounds as though this would make
applications like NetworkManager or Gnome-Power-Manager possible - but
they already *are* working through enhancing HAL etc.

What they do sound like they are adding is a device knowledgebase, but
this surely is something that is window-manager-independent and belongs
somewhere like freedesktop rather than tied to one system. In fact, all
device-handling frameworks would seem better being
window-manager-independent. Again, Network Manager and
Gnome-Power-Manager provide a good examples here as they do all the
communication with HAL and DBus and have no need to be tied to Gnome or KDE.

Just my thoughts, please don't be offended.

Aaron