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[oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Phil H. <ma...@ph...>]

Forwarding from my registered email address.

--
Phil Holmes


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Holmes" <em...@ph...>
To: "Openlilylib" <ope...@li...>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:36 PM
Subject: [Challenges]: Sibelius


> It's a real pain to use for music like this.  I've deliberately avoided
> using manual spacing tweaks (with Sib, you grab and pull) but, by default,
> it crams everything together so badly you can hardly see what you're 
> doing.
> My plan is to continue with no tweaking whatever, and do as best I can to
> get the notes in where I can see them, but it is genuinely a challenge.  I
> trust it's OK to attach a PDF of where I am up to bar 4.
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
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Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Urs L. <ul...@op...>]

Am 10.01.2014 14:48, schrieb Phil Holmes:
> Forwarding from my registered email address.
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Holmes" <em...@ph...>
> To: "Openlilylib" <ope...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:36 PM
> Subject: [Challenges]: Sibelius
>
>
>> It's a real pain to use for music like this.  I've deliberately avoided
>> using manual spacing tweaks (with Sib, you grab and pull) but, by default,
>> it crams everything together so badly you can hardly see what you're
>> doing.
>> My plan is to continue with no tweaking whatever, and do as best I can to
>> get the notes in where I can see them, but it is genuinely a challenge.  I
>> trust it's OK to attach a PDF of where I am up to bar 4.

Thanks for this.
The PDF was attached to the original mail that I got for moderation so I 
attach it here.

Thanks for your patience. This is the kind of information we're trying 
to collect, I think.

So if you were doing this in real life you would have applied _lots_ of 
tweaks by now, just to be able to see what you're doing, right?

Urs

>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
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Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Urs L. <ul...@op...>]

Am 10.01.2014 15:04, schrieb Urs Liska:
> Am 10.01.2014 14:48, schrieb Phil Holmes:
>> Forwarding from my registered email address.
>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phil Holmes" <em...@ph...>
>> To: "Openlilylib" <ope...@li...>
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:36 PM
>> Subject: [Challenges]: Sibelius
>>
>>
>>> It's a real pain to use for music like this.  I've deliberately avoided
>>> using manual spacing tweaks (with Sib, you grab and pull) but, by default,
>>> it crams everything together so badly you can hardly see what you're
>>> doing.
>>> My plan is to continue with no tweaking whatever, and do as best I can to
>>> get the notes in where I can see them, but it is genuinely a challenge.  I
>>> trust it's OK to attach a PDF of where I am up to bar 4.
>
> Thanks for this.
> The PDF was attached to the original mail that I got for moderation so I
> attach it here.
>
> Thanks for your patience. This is the kind of information we're trying
> to collect, I think.
>
> So if you were doing this in real life you would have applied _lots_ of
> tweaks by now, just to be able to see what you're doing, right?
>
> Urs
>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Phil Holmes
>>>

It seems the attachment was stripped by the mailing list software.
I'll look into that and have a look where the problem is.

As a workaround I have added the file to the repository, and it can be 
downloaded from
https://github.com/openlilylib/engraving-challenges/blob/phil-sib-music-entry/challenge01/Sibelius-7/phil/chopin-godowsky-sibelius-phil.pdf

Urs

Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Phil H. <ma...@ph...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Urs Liska" <ul...@op...>
To: <ope...@li...>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius


>>
>> Thanks for your patience. This is the kind of information we're trying
>> to collect, I think.
>>
>> So if you were doing this in real life you would have applied _lots_ of
>> tweaks by now, just to be able to see what you're doing, right?

Right.  I clicked "Layout... Optimize" and it pushed staves all over the 
place.  It seems that its default and optimzed layouts are both, in the 
English vernacular, pants.

> It seems the attachment was stripped by the mailing list software.
> I'll look into that and have a look where the problem is.
>
> As a workaround I have added the file to the repository, and it can be
> downloaded from
> https://github.com/openlilylib/engraving-challenges/blob/phil-sib-music-entry/challenge01/Sibelius-7/phil/chopin-godowsky-sibelius-phil.pdf

When I get something else worth looking at, I'll push it to my repo.

--
Phil Holmes 

Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Urs L. <ul...@op...>]

Am 10.01.2014 15:23, schrieb Phil Holmes:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Urs Liska" <ul...@op...>
> To: <ope...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius
>
>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your patience. This is the kind of information we're trying
>>> to collect, I think.
>>>
>>> So if you were doing this in real life you would have applied _lots_ of
>>> tweaks by now, just to be able to see what you're doing, right?
>
> Right.  I clicked "Layout... Optimize" and it pushed staves all over the
> place.  It seems that its default and optimzed layouts are both, in the
> English vernacular, pants.
>
>> It seems the attachment was stripped by the mailing list software.
>> I'll look into that and have a look where the problem is.
>>
>> As a workaround I have added the file to the repository, and it can be
>> downloaded from
>> https://github.com/openlilylib/engraving-challenges/blob/phil-sib-music-entry/challenge01/Sibelius-7/phil/chopin-godowsky-sibelius-phil.pdf
>>
>
> When I get something else worth looking at, I'll push it to my repo.

Well, please also add the versions of the document file so other 
Sibelius users can retrace it.


But we _should_ have a way to exchange images.
I found the settings in the mailing list that defines MIME type filters.

It seems that now .pdf, .png and .jpg files can be exchanged, but it 
seems I can't do anything about the size limit of 40 KB.

Urs

>
> --
> Phil Holmes

Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[David W. <da...@mu...>]

Ok, I have Mozart's approximation to challenge 1, in the form of a JPEG 
file.  All I have to do is work out what this GitHub thing is all about, so 
I can upload it!   It's getting late here so tomorrow will have to do.

[Mozart doesn't really do 'snippets' so I created a piano piece in C and 
4/4, entered a dummy bar followed by a hard page break, and then the page of 
music which is challenge 1.   Rather than convert the whole thing including 
the junk at the start to a PDF file, it's simpler just to export page 2 as a 
JPEG.  Hope that's OK.]

Dave

David Webber
Mozart Music Software
http://www.mozart.co.uk/

Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[David W. <da...@mu...>]

From: Janek Warchoł

> I'd prefer a pdf.  Jpegs have finite resolution and lossy compression that 
> introduces visible artifacts, both very unwelcome when reviewing an 
> engraving in detail.

In practice I've found that jpegs exported from Mozart at printer resolution 
are really quite acceptable.   But I can save GIF or PNG if it worries you. 
I'll see what I can do with PDF too.

(But first I have to master GITHUB, and from some of the messages here - it 
doesn't look that straightforward.)

Dave

Re: [oll-user] Fw: [Challenges]: Sibelius

[Janek W. <lem...@gm...>]

2014/1/11 David Webber <da...@mu...>

> From: Janek Warchoł
>
> > I'd prefer a pdf.  Jpegs have finite resolution and lossy compression
> that
> > introduces visible artifacts, both very unwelcome when reviewing an
> > engraving in detail.
>
> In practice I've found that jpegs exported from Mozart at printer
> resolution
> are really quite acceptable.   But I can save GIF or PNG if it worries you.
> I'll see what I can do with PDF too.
>

I saw the pdf, thanks!
As for the resolution, i'm not sure what you mean by "printer resolution".
If it's 300 dpi, it's definitely not enough to show some fine engraving
details.  If it's 1200 dpi, the files would be way too big.  And 600 dpi
doesn't seem a good compromise...

j
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