OpenKnights / Bugs / #123 Neveredit 0.8b1 and CEP

Sumpfork - 2005-02-05

labels: --> neveredit exception/crash

milestone: --> neveredit

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Alan Schmitt - 2005-02-06

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I can look at this. Could you give us the url of a
simple/small module that uses the CEP (if there is such
thing ;-) ). Or a module that does not require an external
hakpak.

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Sumpfork - 2005-02-06

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I don't know why this particular exception occurs, but full CEP support is
not a simple matter in general. The CEP uses alternate talk table files
(not currently supported by neveredit), a file in the erf directory (not
currently looked at by neveredit) and there may be other things. Sadly,
these are the things that bioware has provided little documentation on,
so one day I'll have to sit down and figure out how they behave.

That said, the module that comes with the CEP ("Open Day") loads for
me, though only few of the placeables are display correctly and lots of
errors are reported. You just loaded the module to produce this
exception?

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Anonymous - 2005-02-06

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I don't believe the erf-folder has any use other than convienience for the
mod builder. Giving him/her a place to put .erfs in so they are easier to
find. After all, an erf is imported into the module and that's that. The .erf
file isn't used again by anyone, unlike the custom tlk-file or haks, which
are only linked to the module and need to be present when it's opened in
"a toolset" and the game.

How does NeverEdit handle these files:

creaturepalcus.itp
doorpalcus.itp
encounterpalcus.itp
itempalcus.itp
placeablepalcus.itp
soundpalcus.itp
storepalcus.itp
triggerpalcus.itp
waypointpalcus.itp

?

It's my understanding that when you add a new custom creature
(yourself or if it's included in a hak), the appropriate custom palette
has to be altered (creaturepalcus.itp in this case). Otherwise, a DM will
not be able to spawn that entity from the in-game palette.

And, of course, if a new area is added, it needs to be referenced in the
module.ifo file.

In case it would help to see how the official toolset lets the user change
these things, and you lack access to a PC, try looking at this toolset
manual: http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/other/data/1095552276000.shtml

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Pyrates - 2005-02-12

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Sorry it took me so long, I'm quite busy at the moment...

Anyway, I made a mistake, for I didn't have the CEP
installed. I did now, but the problem remains the same...
the session is

__init__: Platform: linux2
INFO __init__: Python version: 2.3.4 (#1, Oct 26 2004,
16:42:40)
[GCC 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)]
INFO __init__: Python comand: /home/pips/bin/neveredit/neveredit
INFO __init__: Python path:
['/home/pips/bin/neveredit/neveredit',
'/home/pips/bin/neveredit']
INFO __init__: wxPython version: 2.5.3.1
INFO __init__: numarray version: 1.1.1
INFO __init__: pyopengl version: 2.0.1.09
could not import nsscompiler - install from nwntools package
INFO __init__: Adding help_nwnlexicon.zip...
initializing resource manager from " /home/pips/bin/nwn " . . .
INFO __init__: empty prop for "Mod_Hak"
INFO __init__: empty prop for "Mod_OnPlrEqItm"
INFO __init__: empty prop for "Mod_OnPlrUnEqItm"
preprocessing took 0.00 seconds
Reading area contents...
Reading area tiles...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NeverEditMainApp.py", line 740, in treeSelChanged
File "ToolPalette.py", line 81, in EVT_TOOLSELECTION
File
"/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/wx-2.5.3-gtk2-unicode/wx/_core.py",
line 10728, in __getattr__
wx._core.PyDeadObjectError: The C++ part of the ToolFrame
object has been deleted, attribute access no longer allowed.
Preparing door display...
Preparing placeable display...
Preparing creature display...
Preparing tile display...
Map display prepared.
preprocessing took 1.47 seconds
preprocessing took 0.00 seconds
Reading area contents...
Reading area tiles...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "NeverEditMainApp.py", line 740, in treeSelChanged
File "ToolPalette.py", line 81, in EVT_TOOLSELECTION
File
"/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/wx-2.5.3-gtk2-unicode/wx/_core.py",
line 10728, in __getattr__
wx._core.PyDeadObjectError: The C++ part of the ToolFrame
object has been deleted, attribute access no longer allowed.
Preparing door display...
Preparing placeable display...
Preparing creature display...
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
error: cannot find resource for
('c_rat\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', 3) in
any added lists
Preparing tile display...
Map display prepared.
preprocessing took 3.06 seconds

The maps of this module weren't even shown.

Now, I also loaded the "Starter Module" that comes with CEP,
and again, the palette of the CEP is missing. Also, wenn I
added a broken waggon to the module (it's just 1 map), the
whole display got screwed up. The session for this is
[1] 10027
pips@Rambazamba:~/bin/neveredit$INFO __init__: Platform: linux2
INFO __init__: Python version: 2.3.4 (#1, Oct 26 2004,
16:42:40)
[GCC 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)]
INFO __init__: Python comand: /home/pips/bin/neveredit/neveredit
INFO __init__: Python path:
['/home/pips/bin/neveredit/neveredit',
'/home/pips/bin/neveredit']
INFO __init__: wxPython version: 2.5.3.1
INFO __init__: numarray version: 1.1.1
INFO __init__: pyopengl version: 2.0.1.09
could not import nsscompiler - install from nwntools package
INFO __init__: Adding help_nwnlexicon.zip...
initializing resource manager from " /home/pips/bin/nwn " . . .
INFO __init__: empty prop for "Mod_Hak"
preprocessing took 0.00 seconds
Reading area contents...
Reading area tiles...
MapWindow cannot find thing with id 5
Preparing door display...
Preparing placeable display...
Preparing creature display...
Preparing tile display...
Map display prepared.

I ALSO tried opening the Open Day mod that comes with CEP.
It would crash on me heavily when I tried to look at a map,
and give so many errors about the cep.tlk that there's
nothing usefull to report for me here...

What other info should I provide? I used the binary version.
Are you still interested in this bug for this version, or
are you working on other stuff? I'd rereport this thing for
the next version, if you want me to :)

Cheers
Philipp

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Sumpfork - 2005-02-12

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It looks to me like there are two distinct things going on here:

1) A wx C++ exception. What distro are you on? Can you reproduce this
with a non-CEP module? Is there something you do to get that particular
exception (other than loading the module)?

2) Lots of errors and mishandling of CEP stuff. I have to look into this.
Warpmoon, is the erf file that you install with the CEP just for toolset
use? And no, there aren't any custom palettes in neveredit right now.
Adding the palettes themselves shouldn't be hard, but adding to them
might be a bit more involved. I will delay tackling all of this until after
0.8 (which should hopefully appear this weekend)

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Sumpfork - 2005-02-12

priority: 5 --> 7
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Anonymous - 2005-02-12

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"Warpmoon, is the erf file that you install with the CEP just
for toolset use?"

Yes, that's right; "End-users" do not use the erf-file for anything.

And those that want to add CEP to a module (with the toolset) import the
erf once to that module and they're done with it. (until they find another
module they want to add it to)

I shiver when I think about the work you have ahead of you when it
comes to creature and especially item making...have fun. ;)

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Pyrates - 2005-02-18

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Hi!

I'm on gentoo, using your binary distribution. With the new
0.8 I can't reproduce the error, though there are others.
I'll report if I can reproduce it ...

Cheers
Philipp

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